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House healthcare talks break down in anger
The Hill ^ | 7/24/2009 | Jared Allen

Posted on 07/24/2009 1:09:57 PM PDT by KansasGirl

House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.

The seven Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee stormed out of a Friday meeting with their committee chairman, Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), saying Waxman had been negotiating in bad faith over a number of provisions Blue Dogs demanded be changed in the stalled healthcare bill.

“I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate negotiations.

“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,” Melancon said...

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"Waxman simply does not have votes in committee and process should not be bypassed to bring the bill straight to floor,” Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”

Melancon said there would be 40-45 “solid no” votes from the 52-strong Blue Dogs, among other problems throughout the caucus.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; arra; bhohealthcare; bluedogcoalition; bluedogdemocrats; bluedogs; cbc; congress; democrathealthcare; democrats; healthcare; henrywaxman; obama; obamacare; pelosi; rahm; socializedmedicine; waxman
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Keep calling!!
1 posted on 07/24/2009 1:10:00 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl

BTTT


2 posted on 07/24/2009 1:12:17 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: KansasGirl

Are these the 7 Blue Dogs?

Ross, Gordon, Matheson, Harman, Barrow, Murphy & Space?


3 posted on 07/24/2009 1:12:44 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: KansasGirl

One can only hope, but I expect most of the Blue Dog Democrats will roll over and play dead when Dog Whisperer Pelosi cracks the whip,


4 posted on 07/24/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by olrtex
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To: KansasGirl
I just got off the phone with Ike Skelton’s DC office. They profess not to know how my congressman will vote.
5 posted on 07/24/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: KansasGirl
What's wrong with those people? They act like they want to be re-elected or something. :-))
6 posted on 07/24/2009 1:13:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Ah guess I talked stupidly when I said the officer acted stupidly.")
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To: KansasGirl

Good. The more anger the better on this one.

There will be time for calm relaxation AFTER Obamacare is dead and gone.


7 posted on 07/24/2009 1:14:09 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: KansasGirl

“I’ve been lied to,” ...

Liars calling liars ‘liars.’ It’s a start.


8 posted on 07/24/2009 1:14:47 PM PDT by maggief
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To: colorado tanker

They have to have ten positive stories telling constituents they are representing them before they cave and roll over.


9 posted on 07/24/2009 1:14:56 PM PDT by Luke21 (If it's the Asspress, it's usually a lie.)
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To: KansasGirl
40 solid nays from the blue dog coalition bids ill for this bill. With 40 solid no’s and intact Republicans (that is what we have been lead to believe from house pubs, no weak knees on this one), this bill get voted down. Wonder what Pelosi is trying to prove.
10 posted on 07/24/2009 1:15:11 PM PDT by lt.america (Looking for a bailout)
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To: KansasGirl

MORE POPCORN!....


11 posted on 07/24/2009 1:15:37 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: KansasGirl

The “D” — so far as liberal democrats are concerned, stands for Dictator.


12 posted on 07/24/2009 1:15:59 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Found it:

“One of the goals of having the seven Blue Dog members band together is to guard against leadership picking centrists off one by one with side deals, as they feel was done during the energy vote.

The group includes all the Blue Dogs on the committee except for Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.). They are Reps. John Barrow (D-Ga.), Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.), Baron Hill (D-Ind.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charlie Melancon (D-La.), Ross, and Zack Space (D-Ohio). “


13 posted on 07/24/2009 1:16:30 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: KansasGirl
House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.

And they were disappointed? Surprised? The Blue Dog Democrats are Democrats, and have been around and among other Democrats for decades, surely... why the outrage? Politicians lie, and liberal (Democrat) politicians lie the most. How'd Bob Kerry, Democrat from Nebraska, describe Clinton, way back when? "Clinton is an unusually good liar. Unusually good. Do you realize that?" Esquire/January 1996
14 posted on 07/24/2009 1:17:00 PM PDT by flowerplough (Barack Obama, teleprompter Reader of the Free World.)
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To: KansasGirl

Waxman is a liar? Who knew?


15 posted on 07/24/2009 1:18:03 PM PDT by JPG
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To: KansasGirl
House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.

They're just now figuring out their leadership is a bunch of LIARS?!??

16 posted on 07/24/2009 1:18:18 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: KansasGirl

Bart Gordon (TN 6th), (202) 225-4231
Jane Harman (CA 36th), (202) 225-8220
Mike Ross (AR 4th), (202) 225-3772
Jim Matheson (UT 2nd), (202) 225-3011
Charlie Melancon (LA 3rd), (202) 225-4031
John Barrow (GA 12th), (202) 225-2823
Baron Hill (IN 9th), (202) 225-5315
Zach Space (OH 18th), (202) 225-6265


17 posted on 07/24/2009 1:18:36 PM PDT by Faith
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To: JPG

Gee, he doesn’t look like a liar?


18 posted on 07/24/2009 1:18:49 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: KansasGirl

255 - 178 is the current balance of power. 40 no votes from blue dogs = 215 - 218, IF republicans stick together, which is no guarantee, since there are rinos loose in the land.


19 posted on 07/24/2009 1:18:55 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Not only more popcorn, but I think this calls for boxes of Junior Mints and Bon-Bons, as well.


20 posted on 07/24/2009 1:19:22 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: KansasGirl
If that little goblin Waxman has been lying to Democrats in the House, I sure hate to think about what he's been doing to the country.
21 posted on 07/24/2009 1:19:25 PM PDT by mojito
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To: maggief
Poor babies - sounds like they were tied to the whippin' post.

"Sometimes I feel, sometimes I feel,
Like I been tied to the whipping post
Tied to the whipping post,
Tied to the whipping post,
Good lord, I feel like Im dyin."

22 posted on 07/24/2009 1:20:24 PM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: KansasGirl

the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”

Save the party? Damn, it’s worse than we think. It’s worse than we imagined. It’s a beautiful thing! LOL


23 posted on 07/24/2009 1:21:20 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am sure they know, but they aren’t going to say unless they have been told directly to say....


24 posted on 07/24/2009 1:22:04 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: xzins

That is the real problem here. If the vote is close enough, the Democrats will bribe a couple of Republicans and the bill will pass.


25 posted on 07/24/2009 1:22:43 PM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: KansasGirl
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26 posted on 07/24/2009 1:22:44 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: KansasGirl

Thanks for the update. This is great news.


27 posted on 07/24/2009 1:22:49 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: KansasGirl

“We were lied to!” No kidding really? Well I am shocked I tell you shocked.

Keep it up Nancy and Henry pretty soon the blue dogs will remember where their true loyalties lie —— with the conservatives. Bwahahahahahaha


28 posted on 07/24/2009 1:23:01 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I just got off the phone with Ike Skelton’s DC office. They profess not to know how my congressman will vote.

I also just got off the phone with my rep. I said, I know that Representative Murphy doesn't care what his constituents think but this is too important to rubber stamp the way he's done every other bill to come before him. I then told the story of the woman from England who flew here for a mammogram because her screening ultrasound didn't qualify her for one in England. Her mom and sister both had breast cancer and she had a lump.

I wonder how these congress people will feel when it's their daughter or granddaughter who is denied a test like this until it is too late.

29 posted on 07/24/2009 1:23:05 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Faith

I just called Dennis Moore, our only Rat Congressman from KS (member of Blue Dogs), and she said he is not decided yet. He always votes with Pelosi though. He said the same thing about cap and trade and then voted with the Rats.

Dennis Moore’s office: (202) 225-2865


30 posted on 07/24/2009 1:23:46 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: xzins
Ellen Tauscher (liberal Democrat from CA-10) resigned last month. so Democrats are down to 254 members.

Her seat won't be filled until November.

31 posted on 07/24/2009 1:24:00 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

All would be at risk in the 2010 election cycle. I am telling ya it wouldn’t be the first time fiscally conservative dems have kicked the powers in the nuts


32 posted on 07/24/2009 1:24:49 PM PDT by the long march
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To: KansasGirl
Good. The Blue Dogs smell change in the wind and they fear for their political lives.

And well they should.

Here is a link to the full House Democrat Health Care Plan in PDF. In Section 1233 E & F, pages 426-433, you find the part about mandatory end-of-life counseling for anyone over 65 years of age.

HOUSE DEMOCRAT HEALTH CARE PLAN - http://www.jeffhead.com/DemHealthCare.htm

Also, here's a large image of the Democratic (Obama) Health Plan chart-another Obama empty promise. This is the one the House democrats are censuring. Email these links or the image to everyone you know.


Decmocrat (Obama) Health Plan
http://www.jeffhead.com/DemHealthCare.htm

Obama and all those pushing his radical agenda are abject marxist ideologues. Their "fundamental; change" is nothing more than a destruction of the American free market and fundamental republican principle.

A PETITION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

A 4TH OF JULY TEA PARTY SPEECH

...and on the lighter side, take your mind off the Obamanation for a few minutes and enjoy some beautiful Western US scenery slideshows.

JEFF HEAD'S WESTERN US SCENERY SLIDE SHOWS

33 posted on 07/24/2009 1:25:30 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Harman

Jane Harman??

Pay back is a bitch, eh Nancy?

34 posted on 07/24/2009 1:25:55 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: KansasGirl
“We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”

Hey, I'll help.

Bwhahahaha!!! I almost said it with a straight face.

35 posted on 07/24/2009 1:26:27 PM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: KansasGirl

Good going!


36 posted on 07/24/2009 1:26:49 PM PDT by bcsco (When Obama mentioned shovel ready jobs, I never thought he might be thinking of graves.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

37 posted on 07/24/2009 1:26:54 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: Kenny

I wonder how these congress people will feel when it’s their daughter or granddaughter who is denied a test like this until it is too late.

I hope you’re not that naive. The ruling class will not be covered by this bill. They will retain separate and far superior coverage. Rush has been covering this for days.


38 posted on 07/24/2009 1:27:06 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: KansasGirl

I didn’t call any of the committee members, but I called all the PA Blue Dogs today. All the staffers were very polite and receptive to my call, which was a pleasant change from my calls to Senator Casey’s offices.


39 posted on 07/24/2009 1:27:45 PM PDT by Think free or die (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M.Thatcher)
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To: KansasGirl

Good sign for the Dems to have a total meltdown going into the weekend. Gives us a couple of days to rest up, live well, and prepare ourselves to continue the fight. ObamaCare won’t be going away, but every delay exposes more of the horrors of government-run healthcare to the public and weakens the ultimate chances of passage.


40 posted on 07/24/2009 1:28:08 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: flowerplough

Some of the dems are “newly” elected. They beat repubs on fiscally conservative platforms


41 posted on 07/24/2009 1:28:15 PM PDT by the long march
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To: KansasGirl

I love the smell of democrats failing.

42 posted on 07/24/2009 1:28:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: KansasGirl

DNC leadership to the common rabble, “sit down and shut up” (a phrase that goes back to the Clinton error)


43 posted on 07/24/2009 1:28:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: La Lydia

Most definitely


44 posted on 07/24/2009 1:28:58 PM PDT by the long march
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To: KansasGirl

(Usual montage of Dennis Moore riding plus song.)
 
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor.
And gives to the rich
Stupid bitch.


(Dennis Moore reins to sudden halt and looks over to camera.)


Dennis Moore:
What did you sing?

Singers:
(speaking)
We sang... he steals from the poor and gives to the rich.


Dennis Moore:
Wait a tic... blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I though

45 posted on 07/24/2009 1:29:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("If they taxed condoms and toilet paper, they'd have us coming and going." - Lazamataz, 2002)
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To: the long march
Keep it up Nancy and Henry pretty soon the blue dogs will remember where their true loyalties lie —— with the conservatives.

Jim Matheson is my rep. You might figure the only congress critter that's a democrat from the most conservative state in the republic might be a tad more conservative than the rest of the rat pack in DC, and he is.

46 posted on 07/24/2009 1:30:00 PM PDT by glock rocks (ohm's law...)
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To: nutmeg; MeekOneGOP

Ping!


47 posted on 07/24/2009 1:30:05 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Luke21
I actually think this is for real. They are finding out what's in this stinker and it is scaring the crap out of them because they know how most people are satisfied with their health care and the changes the bill would force on people would generate tremendous blowback.
48 posted on 07/24/2009 1:30:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Ah guess I talked stupidly when I said the officer acted stupidly.")
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To: olrtex

You got it.

They’ll end up with 5-10% of what they “demand” then they’ll fall in line.

These guys are very dependent on bringing pork back to their districts. Pelousy will chop their pork as she chops their nuts.


49 posted on 07/24/2009 1:30:55 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Oh yeah. And Jane has a long long memory


50 posted on 07/24/2009 1:31:14 PM PDT by the long march
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