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New poll shows birthers growing
WorldNetDaily ^ | Aug 01, 2009 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 07/31/2009 10:59:02 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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To: lucias_clay

What is quite clear is that the form posted on the website purporting to be a birth certificate is not. It’s an abbreviated form (hence the term short-form) which several states offer. It is often stamped with the message that the form is not proof of citizenship. I have an actual Hawaiian birth certificate and it has date, time, place, who was where when, background, and signatures up the yin-yang. Which leaves me not knowing why all the subterfuge and obfustication. What is being hidden?


21 posted on 07/31/2009 11:22:18 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: psjones
That’s assuming he wants the controversy to go away. As someone suggested in an earlier thread, he may just wait till the eve of the next elections to show his BC.

Gee, I heard that same lame excuse on the eve of November 4th of last year.

Oh yeah, that's going to help his disaster of a presidency. NOT.

22 posted on 07/31/2009 11:22:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jet Jaguar
When people say they are sure he was born in the U.S., I have to wonder how they know. The only way they know is because Obama said so. That makes me assume that if Obama said the Earth was flat, they would have to agree with him.

Have they seen the original Birth Certificate, and if so, why didn't they show it to me?

It's like those who say Obama is some sort of Genius. Have they seen his College Grades, his Transcripts or his writings in the Harvard Law Review? If they have, why don't they show them to me?

I know they thought President Bush was an idiot. You know, one of those MBA guys who had better College Grades that Al Gore and John Kerry.

Wasn't George Bush just some idiot that the Air National Guard trained to fly a multimillion dollar single seat Jet Fighter that was known as a Widow Maker?

23 posted on 07/31/2009 11:24:00 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing wrong with the Government that 552 bullets couldn't cure...)
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To: psjones
John McCain had the facts and the law on his side.
There is very little contradiction in the McCain life story or history.

Obama?

Obama is a fraud!

Anyone who has really studied Obama is not sure what to believe.

24 posted on 07/31/2009 11:24:11 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Jet Jaguar

I’ve gotten taller!


25 posted on 07/31/2009 11:27:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: doc1019

“By all accounts, he has spent millions in his prevention strategy regarding his birth certificate.”

He hasn’t spent squat. His campaign paid for the early suits, and the Justice Dept pays for them now that he is the president of the USA.

Ugggh.


26 posted on 07/31/2009 11:27:40 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: Jet Jaguar

It isn’t just his long form birth cert. He has hidden everything about his past.


27 posted on 07/31/2009 11:28:31 PM PDT by muddler
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To: doc1019

But, all this controversy would go a way if he would release his long form birth certificate.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It wouldn’t go away for me. Was he adopted and a citizen of Indonesia? Did he take the repatriation oath? Has he traveled on another passport? Did he claim he was a foreign student when applying to college?

A, “yes”, to any of the above would mean that he had dual allegiances. That would need to be clarified by the courts for me to accept that he was a natural born citizen.


28 posted on 07/31/2009 11:29:47 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: doc1019

Or maybe a bogus pretender fraudulent President-!


29 posted on 07/31/2009 11:30:12 PM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Jet Jaguar
The Kossacks open their results page with the following:

QUESTION: Do you believe that America and Africa were once part of the same continent?
  YES NO NOT SURE
ALL 42 26 32
MEN 41 29 30
WOMEN 43 23 34
DEM 51 16 33
REP 24 47 29
IND 44 23 33
OTH/REF 42 25 33
NON VOTERS 46 22 32
WHITE 35 30 35
BLACK 63 13 24
LATINO 55 19 26
OTHER/REF 56 19 25
18-29 48 20 32
30-44 40 28 32
45-59 43 24 33
60+ 39 30 31
NORTHEAST 50 18 32
SOUTH 32 37 31
MIDWEST 46 22 32
WEST 43 24 33

I thought plate tectonics was geology, not politics.

30 posted on 07/31/2009 11:34:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Kickass Conservative
"When people say they are sure he was born in the U.S., I have to wonder how they know. The only way they know is because Obama said so..."


Think of democrats and Obama as a loving relationship rather then a president/business partner.

If your spouse said they are born someplace you would believe them without question.

It isn't logical but there it is.

31 posted on 07/31/2009 11:35:23 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Jet Jaguar

As far as birthers....

Never has it been more true that all publicity is good publicity. I love the rage of the chattering classes and the talking heads. The ones too cowardly to demand what common sense dictates. The Obama birh certificate

“Trust but verify” -— Ronald Reagan about the Soviets


32 posted on 07/31/2009 11:35:49 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: doc1019
There are only three reasons why Obama won’t authorize the release of his birth certificate:

1. He, in fact, is not a citizen of the US and therefore not eligible to be President.

2. He is so arrogant and narcissistic as to believe he is above scrutiny. Therefore, he shouldn’t have to prove to anyone his eligibility (messianic complex)

3. A combination of all the above

Untrue. There might be other embarrassing stuff on it that he wants to be hidden. Such as that he is a bastard
Also he knows that once we get the birth certificate revealed he will be pressured to open up other records he has sealed. Such as his college transcripts. This POS got his Senate opponents sealed divorce records opened up and we are going to do the same to him, it is only fair play.

33 posted on 07/31/2009 11:42:28 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: Kansas58
Obama is not really an Obama, by blood.

Obama is the son of Communist Frank Marshal Davis!

IF he was born in Hawaii, AND his father is Frank Marshal Davis, then he would be an NBC by even the most stringent definition - born on American soil of American parents

End of problem, he's constitutionally eligible.

34 posted on 07/31/2009 11:45:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 192 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: doc1019
At the rate he is going with the economy, the evidence of a birth certificate (one way or the other) won’t matter … he will either be the supreme (dictator) leader of a once great country or a one term president.

He still has legions of zombie followers and always will
The weaker he is on the economy, the more vulnerable he is on demands to open up his birth certificate

Things are looking up

35 posted on 07/31/2009 11:45:05 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: cynwoody

I don’t understand... 47% of the republicans never heard of Rodinia? I don’t believe this.


36 posted on 07/31/2009 11:48:58 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: lucias_clay
The fact that this is something still open to debate, versus being a matter of record is flabbergasting.

Exactamundo! In all previous presidential elections this has been a non-issue. It is amazing that we don't have a requirement for candidates to prove rather than just assert their eligibility. It is even more amazing that we seem to have a vast majority who don't care about the Constitution.

Still, 7% of Dems apparently aren't sure or don't believe that 0bama was born in the US, so there's hope. But that hope won't get us what we really need: change. Change from this bunch of communist thugs in the White House and their lackeys in Congress.

37 posted on 07/31/2009 11:49:23 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: dennisw
Untrue. There might be other embarrassing stuff on it that he wants to be hidden. Such as that he is a bastard

A politician who's a bastard? I'm shocked.

Is he an American bastard?

38 posted on 07/31/2009 11:51:07 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 192 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: dennisw
There might be other embarrassing stuff on it that he wants to be hidden. Such as that he is a bastard

In this day and age, who would care?

he will be pressured to open up other records

Why would the revelation of his birth certificate put any pressure on him to reveal any other personal information?

Inquiring minds want to know.

39 posted on 07/31/2009 11:51:35 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama? Not so much.)
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To: All

While everyone is focusing on the country of birth, we shouldn’t let that pidgeon hole the validity of his Citizenship..remember even if he was born in Hawaii , he left for so long,his dad was not american, and obama/barry was probably a Indonesian citizen..there are a multitude of reasons he may not be eligible..not just the birthplace issue..

Also my favorite dream SEQUENCE is still this.. Since nobody seems to have pregnant pictures of the mom, nobody recalls living near any of the family around the birth time. We Know ole frank was a perv and wrote about having threesomes,abusing underage kids and such..

My favorite scenario is that frank is obamas dad, and his grandmother is really his mom. maybe they used ann for cover after moving around..and thats why she had a short marriage, and never seemed to care about leaving the kid home with grandma? ahh the shear beauty of it...

A pedophile radical commie for a dad..his grandma for a mom...

Reguardless of anything ever proven..IF you run for president you should not be allowed to hide your past birth, schooling,jobs, and I even think your medical records are not private property at that point....You don’t want the facts getting out..don’t run.


40 posted on 07/31/2009 11:52:43 PM PDT by uncle fenders
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