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To: Cyropaedia

You said — Now you are avoiding the issue yet again.

I think it’s more like you’re avoiding “reality”... no really... :-)

You see, it’s a real simple matter, there are two kinds of “right to see” and it comes down to political right to see and legal right to see.

I’ve already said that there is a political right to see, but unfortunately that “mode” carries “no force” in the ability to get someone to follow through (like a candidate). It’s only political persuasion. And oftentimes, that’s enough. But, in Obama’s case, he had about 10 million more votes, in the election, who said they didn’t care, than conservatives who said that they did care.

And then you have the *legal right to see* — and I’ve already made that clear that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate. So, you’re out of luck there.

This is the *reality* that you’re avoiding.

I’m simply making it so that that *reality* can be “changed” and made to be that there is a state law which *legally requires* a candidate to show his birth certificate.

I have no idea why this is so complex to understand. It seem really straightforward and simple to me.


514 posted on 08/04/2009 2:50:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
I’ve already said that there is a political right to see, but unfortunately that “mode” carries “no force” in the ability to get someone to follow through (like a candidate). It’s only political persuasion

More nonsense and backtracking from you. We're not talking about the right to demand/ask for a BC. That's already allowed under the First Amendment.

Again, do we have a right to see the original Certificate of Live Birth or not ?

But, in Obama’s case, he had about 10 million more votes, in the election, who said they didn’t care, than conservatives who said that they did care

It doesn't matter how many votes he got, if he doesn't meet the requirements, he's not eligible to serve.

Voting is a right. And even in the absence of a particular statute specifically requiring a candidate to submit certified BC, the public still has a right to see one because they have a right to know if they are going to waste ( or have wasted ) that right to vote on someone that is not eligible to serve.

520 posted on 08/05/2009 4:59:59 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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