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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

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To: Seizethecarp

You would know?


11,551 posted on 04/17/2013 11:32:02 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
...but here she is a Math major, with absolutely no Math classes during her first two years of college.

I think it's becoming clearer why that is...the one who had no math classes in the first two years of college was the one who attended the Russian Class at which she met the kenyan student...and the one who did attend math classes was probably at the university of Chicago, where her uncle was Deputy Director of the Library for something like 60 years.

So how did she get a phd in Social Anthropology? Maybe that had something to do with the masses of research material Maya and Alice Dewey said they found on discs in a dusty drawer. Alice was the 'Indonesianist' as she likes to call herself, she now lives in Indonesia permanently. She published a book with the title Marketing in Java...iirc, and SAD's book when it was being touted, bore the title Blacksmithing in Java. They then changed it to 'Surviving Against the Odds' - and Alice was the editor. The granddaughter of John Dewey was a very masculine woman and I have a sense she worshipped Stanley Ann Dunham.

I've written that off the cuff from memory. I'll add some links later and correct myself if necessary.

11,552 posted on 04/18/2013 12:03:20 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

V.O.U.Y.E.R


11,553 posted on 04/18/2013 12:05:24 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Sep/12/ln/hawaii809120379.html

EXCERPT:

SEPARATION AND DIVORCE

In the early 1970s, as her research and success in helping villages increased, Soetoro and Dunham split up — and eventually divorced in 1979.

“He got a job with Union Oil,” Dewey said. “Lolo joked that they got divorced because she was falling in love with Javanese handcrafts and he was becoming an American oil man, which wasn’t far from the truth.”

Maya and her mother returned to Honolulu in 1973 and, for three years, lived with Barack on Poki Street, just ‘ewa of Punahou School.

“My father did not live with us at that time,” Maya said. “They lived apart. They were still together and still wanted to make a go of the marriage.”

Dunham took young Maya back to Indonesia in 1976 to live with Soetoro’s mother, while Barack moved into his grandparents’ apartment on Beretania Street while he finished his high school years at Punahou.

“We spent summers with him, we spent winters with him and there were a lot of letters in between,” Maya said.

She, too, was homeschooled by Dunham until 1981, when Maya enrolled at the Jakarta International School and then, at age 14, returned in 1984 to enter Punahou.

“It was an extraordinary childhood,” Soetoro-Ng said. “She was such an interesting and vigorously intellectual woman. I owe everything to her example. Her life of service is something to which we should all aspire.”

Dewey later traveled with Dunham to the same village in Kenya where Obama’s father came from and — decades later — saw a video of Obama in the same village near a building that arranged micro loans.

Obama had arrived at the place where his mother had helped so many people years before.

“He followed in her footsteps and didn’t even know it,” Dewey said. “I know, because he certainly would have said something about it because his mother meant so much to him.”

It was a moment that brought Dewey full circle to the woman she had mentored and grew to admire — a woman whose work she believes could influence the course of U.S. policy.

“Sen. Obama often speaks of his mother’s dedication to helping people,” Dewey said. “How he was raised is part of how he will be as president.”



11,554 posted on 04/18/2013 12:43:51 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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Alice Dewey, PhD Professor Emeritus

B.A. (1950), M.A. (1955) and Ph.D. (1959) from Racliffe College, Harvard University.

I did my doctoral research in Java, Indonesia, in 1952-1954 and have been studying Javanese society ever since, with additional field work among the Maori of New Zealand (1959-60) and among the Javanese community in New Caldonia (1963-64).

I joined the anthropology faculty at the University of Hawai'i in 1963 and have been here ever since.

Research Interests: Economic Anthropology, especially markets; social structure; peasant societies; social change; kinship; Javanese culture.

Selected Writings: In preparation Traditional Powers for a Modern King: The Investiture of Sultan Hamengku Buwono X.

1993 Past Experiences and Problems in Implementing Programs in Poverty Alleviation. In A Review of Poverty Alleviation Efforts in Indonesia, with Michael Dove, N. Dwi Retnandari, and Loekman Soetrisno, for BAPPENAS, Indonesia, pp. 103-135.

1988 Competition, Reciprocity and the Olympic Games. In The Olympics and East/West and South/North Exchange, edited by Kang Shin-pyo, John MacAloon and Roberto DaMatto. The Institute for Ethnological Studies, Hanyang University, pp. 529-537.

1985 Boundary and Batik: A Study of Ambiguous Categories. In Cultural Values and Human Ecology in Southeast Asia, edited by Karl L. Hutterer, A. Terry Rambo and George Lovelace. Michigan Papers on South and Southeast Asia, No. 27, University of Michigan Press.

1970 Ritual as a Mechanism for Urban Adaptation. Man 5:438-448. 1962 Trade and Social Control. Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute 92:177-190.

1962 Peasant Marketing in Java. N.Y.: Free Press.

source

11,555 posted on 04/18/2013 12:57:23 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fred Nerks

“Maya and her mother returned to Honolulu in 1973 and, for three years, lived with Barack on Poki Street, just ‘ewa of Punahou School.

“My father did not live with us at that time,” Maya said. “They lived apart. They were still together and still wanted to make a go of the marriage.”

Dunham took young Maya back to Indonesia in 1976 to live with Soetoro’s mother, while Barack moved into his grandparents’ apartment on Beretania Street while he finished his high school years at Punahou.”

If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoro’s 1973 tax return.


11,556 posted on 04/18/2013 3:04:38 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thank you for that excellent work. I’m saving a copy of this post for future reference. Obama’s supporters claim Stanley Ann was not at UoWA in the fall of ‘61. This proves them wrong.

On a side note, it’s painful to observe which posters have never been to a four yr college/university. I’m trying to imagine the kind of conspiracy they cd work up from my transcripts. Oh good heavens! I didn’t take my first philosophy course until the summer *following* my sophomore yr! Oh noes; my transcript must be forged!

At UoHI, it’s not necessary to declare a major until the beginning of the junior yr. Same at many universities. Though I will say for the panic crowd that if SADO had majored in math at MIT she’d have had a lot more of it prior to the junior yr. But that’s why it’s MIT & other schools aren’t.

Come to think of it, does MIT even have a math major? I think they do; it’s called ‘physics’.

Just kidding. Of course MIT has a math major. It just gets less respect than physics.

Anyway, hate to break it to the fevered forgery crowd, but at UoHI freshmen & sophomore yrs are for general credits; the major doesn’t kick in until the junior yr. Fyi.


11,557 posted on 04/18/2013 3:22:15 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks; GregNH; LucyT; David; Seizethecarp
Remember, that according to Stuart Lau, Registrar at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, Stanley Ann Dunham could have only taken these Math classes from the Spring of 1963 through the Summer of 1966 (a period of 11 total semesters, or 5-1/2 normal school years in addition to the two other years that has been claimed). Most of them must be taken sequentially. Supposedly she graduated high school in 1960, so it would have been 3 entire years without any mathematics, a subject which most students must review every fall after their summer break before continuing with their new studies. I think that can safely assume that the requirements for this degree were close to being the same today as they were 40-50 years ago.

Remember also, Stanley Ann Dunham was issued Passport No. F777788 by U.S. Department of State on July 19, 1965, 4 months after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro and one year before Lau states that she left the University. Note also that she was not awarded her degree until August 6, 1967. Why not? We also know that she traveled from Honolulu to Jarkarta just a couple months later in October. She took Barry with her and he did not begin the first grade until the following year in 1968.

Remember again the question to Greg was, "If the transcripts are fake, where & when did SADO earn enough credits for a BA from the UoHI?" Assuming she had a minimum 12 hour course load over 12 semesters (Lau also states that she attended the University in the Fall of 1960), that's at least 144 semester credits, more than enough for any undergraduate degree.

Also, the evidence presented from past interviews with her high school friends states that she only stopped in Seattle on the way to Boston.

Department of Mathematics, University of Hawaii at Manoa

Considering math as your major? That is perhaps what Stanley Ann Dunham is doing in this photo. Ms. Dunham received a BA in Mathematics from UH-Manoa in 1967.



Prerequisites:
•MATH 140: Precalculus (3) (Pre: two years of high school algebra, one year of plane geometry, and precalculus assessment)
•MATH 215: Applied Calculus I (4) (Pre: C or better in 140)

Required Undergraduate Lower Division courses for Math Major:
•MATH 241: Calculus I (4) (Pre: a grade of C or better in 140 or 215)
•MATH 242: Calculus II (4) (Pre: a grade of C or better in 241 or 251A or a grade of B or better in 215)
•MATH 243: Calculus III (3) (Pre: a grade of C or better in 242 or 252A)
•MATH 244: Calculus IV (3) (Pre: 243)

Bachelor of Arts requirements:
Students must complete 21 credit hours in mathematics courses numbered above 300, including:
•MATH 321: Introduction to Advanced Mathematics (3) (Pre: 243 or 253A)
•MATH 480: Senior Seminar (1) (Pre: One 400-level mathematics course)
•3 credit hours in a writing-intensive mathematics course
•6 credit hours in a sustained two-course sequence approved by the department
•6 credit hours in courses numbered above 400
•3 credit hours in a 400-level core course approved by the department

•The approved two-course sequences are Math 402-403, 407-408, 412-413, 414-416, 431-432, 454-455, and 471-472. Math 331-431 is an approved two-course sequence for BA majors only. Other two course sequences may be allowed on an individual basis if approved by the Associate Chair. The two courses must be closely related and numbered above 400. The sequence must be completed within one year, e.g., fall-spring or spring-fall or summer-spring.
•The approved core courses are Math 405, 411, 420, 421, 431, 443, 444, 454, 455, 471 and 475.
•Only two of Math 301, 371, and 373 may be counted toward major requirements. Only one of Math 307 and 311 may be counted toward major requirements.
•All required courses must be completed with a grade of C or better.
•A cumulative 2.0 GPA in completed upper division mathematics courses is required.
So based on the letter from Lau, she should have easily completed her B.A. degree in Hawaii, but again why did it take another year after she stopped attending the University to receive her degree? There must be a reason for hiding the transcripts, and there is absolutely nothing in that letter from Stuart Lau that states she attended the University of Washington!

Why would anyone who claims to be so smart want to hide their transcripts?
11,558 posted on 04/18/2013 4:25:04 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fantasywriter
This proves them wrong.

LMAO, how so?

Anyway, hate to break it to the fevered forgery crowd, but at UoHI freshmen & sophomore yrs are for general credits; the major doesn’t kick in until the junior yr. Fyi.

Hate to break it to you, but obviously you've never attended a real university, otherwise you'd know that no matter what your major is, there is a minimum requirement in mathematics.

Come to think of it, does MIT even have a math major?

DUH! - I've been there before, you probably haven't. ;-)
11,559 posted on 04/18/2013 4:33:04 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Fred Nerks
If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoro’s 1973 tax return.

but he wasn't named as a dependent on the Soetoro return and if his Dunham grandparents were providing more than half of his support, whether or not he was a U.S. citizen, he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on their income tax returns.
11,560 posted on 04/18/2013 4:39:00 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks

http://washington-employees.findthedata.org/l/118406/Madolyne-Lawson


11,561 posted on 04/18/2013 4:55:10 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SvenMagnussen
“Maya and her mother returned to Honolulu in 1973 and, for three years, lived with Barack on Poki Street, just ‘ewa of Punahou School.

I posted that excerpt while I was laughing to myself, we've since discovered that Stanley Ann and Lolo filed a joint tax return for 1973, and that's the first we knew that Lolo was in Hawaii...as to when she returned from Indonesia with Maya, that would still be a mystery...because there's no way now I would take the word of Alice Dewey...

“My father did not live with us at that time,” Maya said. “They lived apart. They were still together and still wanted to make a go of the marriage.”

So I gather from that, Lolo wasn't living with his wife and daughter, but they did file a joint tax return...and between his 'mothers' arrival in 1973, and 1976 when she left, (as follows)who did the boy live with?

Dunham took young Maya back to Indonesia in 1976 to live with Soetoro’s mother, while Barack moved into his grandparents’ apartment on Beretania Street while he finished his high school years at Punahou.”

That quite possibly is true. How would we know who he lived with? And Whoops! What-ever happend to Lolo? They lost him somewhere in the story? Maybe he remained in Hawaii?

If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoro’s 1973 tax return.

I'm now far to confused to even begin to think about his possible citizenship, the year Stanley Ann Dunham and Maya returned to Hawaii is now more than one year removed from what was commonly understood, they didn't return on their own, they came with the 'stepfather' who didn't live with them, and zero didn't live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour until SAD retured to Indonesia in 1976, although neither parent showed him as a dependant on their (one year) joint tax return. I need a little while to get this sorted out in my head if you don't mind...

So much has changed since that article was written.

11,562 posted on 04/18/2013 4:58:29 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

You know what really tricks me now? He wasn’t claimed by Lolo and Stanley Ann on their joint return for 1973, but Maya says he didn’t live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour in their apartment until her mother returned to Indonesia in 1976.

So I want to know, with whom was he living? That article is so dated, that although I had read it a long time ago, at the time the contradications didn’t stand out as they do now.

As to the education records and the various requirements etc, I’ll remain an observer, as an Aussie, all that is quite unfamiliar to me.


11,563 posted on 04/18/2013 5:16:12 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

We need a freeper that works for the U of WA to check it out; take phonecam pix and post em.

I don’t work for em, otherwise I’d do it!


11,564 posted on 04/18/2013 5:34:27 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Fred Nerks

“... we’ve since discovered that Stanley Ann and Lolo filed a joint tax return for 1973, and that’s the first we knew that Lolo was in Hawaii...as to when she returned from Indonesia with Maya, that would still be a mystery ...”

I recall from one of the FOIA documents Lolo had filed 1040NR (non-resident) return when he was living in Indonesia. It was incorrect because Lolo was actually a Permanent Resident Alien with the U.S. and he returned to Indonesia as part of his agreement with East-West Center. The East-West Center is funded by the U.S. Government to promote cultural exchange. Lolo, Stanley Ann, Obama and Maya were all grantees of the East-West Center.

To promote cultural exchange, a grantee must travel to their home country after living and studying/working in the U.S. to promote and share their experiences with others. In Obama’s case, it wasn’t safe for him to travel and live in Indonesia for two years in the early eighties. So, he was granted an exception. He traveled to Indonesia to update his passport and then went on to Pakistan.

But I digress, U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens living abroad must file a U.S. tax return. Consequently, Lolo would have had to file a U.S. Tax return in 1973 even if he was living in Indonesia at the time.


11,565 posted on 04/18/2013 6:44:25 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: Brown Deer

26 USC § 152 - Dependent defined

(3) Citizens or nationals of other countries
(A) In general
The term “dependent” does not include an individual who is not a citizen or national of the United States unless such individual is a resident of the United States or a country contiguous to the United States.
(B) Exception for adopted child
Subparagraph (A) shall not exclude any child of a taxpayer (within the meaning of subsection (f)(1)(B)) from the definition of “dependent” if—
(i) for the taxable year of the taxpayer, the child has the same principal place of abode as the taxpayer and is a member of the taxpayer’s household, and
(ii) the taxpayer is a citizen or national of the United States.

Obama didn’t move in with his grandparents until 1976.

Maya was taken as a dependent 1973 because she was a U.S. Citizen. Obama was not taken as a dependent in 1973 because he was not a U.S. Citizen.


11,566 posted on 04/18/2013 7:10:44 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama didn’t move in with his grandparents until 1976.

As usual, you continue to make statements that you cannot prove.

Maya was taken as a dependent 1973 because she was a U.S. Citizen.

Again, you have no proof of that.

Obama was not taken as a dependent in 1973 because he was not a U.S. Citizen.

Again, you have no proof of that and again, how many times must this be pointed out to you before you figure it out?

posted on 02/26/2013: freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2991236/replies?c=229
posted on Monday, April 15, 2013: freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2306351/posts?page=11312

www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i1040--1973.pdf

Page 5 states: "Was a citizen or resident of the U.S., a resident of Canada, Mexico, the Republic of Panama or Canal Zone, or an alien child adopted by and living with a U.S. citizen in a foreign country."


11,567 posted on 04/18/2013 7:35:05 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: All
Just an FYI from Orly's site.
Peek: Obama Skip-Tracer Raided By FBI; Computer Filled With Obama Evidence Taken

Al Hendershot posted the following on the ORYR Facebook wall a few days ago:

4 days ago the FBI took my computer and I got it back yesterday. They said that they were investigating the Exposed website, but I think that there was some more stuff that they were looking for because they said that I was not in any trouble for what I was reporting on for my blog… [...]

Not sure what to make of that...
11,568 posted on 04/18/2013 7:46:39 AM PDT by GregNH (I would love to visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

For tax purposes, a person with for nationality living in the U.S. is not a resident unless they have been issued a Green Card and have become a Permanent Resident Alien.

For example, Lolo Soetoro was a Permanent Resident Alien of the U.S. He was issued a SSN and denied an entry Visa into the the U.S. after he filed Form 1040NR (non-resident) with the IRS. He had returned to Indonesia as part of his agreement with the East-West Center and filed a tax return for non-residents. Immigration denied him re-entry into the U.S. because he declared himself to be a non-resident when he filed Form 1040NR.

Obama’s father, BHO Sr., was a non-resident of the U.S. who had entered the U.S. legally on a Student Visa. While in America, he was granted permission to work and earn. After he had earnings, he was required to file Form 1040NR with the IRS and use his alien registration number because he was not qualified to obtain a SSN.

Obama returned to America in 1971 as an unaccompanied minor with foreign nationality. He was taken into protective custody by Customs and Border Patrol. Eventually, he was granted asylee status. An asylee is a non-resident alien living in America with permission, similar to an alien living in America on a Student visa. Non-resident aliens cannot be claimed as a dependent on U.S. Tax Returns.


11,569 posted on 04/18/2013 8:37:52 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: Brown Deer; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT

“Also, the evidence presented from past interviews with her high school friends states that she only stopped in Seattle on the way to Boston.”

Hearsay recollections from HS classmates 50 years after the fact as recorded by MSM reporters keen on preserving the “Dreams” narrative and weaving those “memories” into that fake narrative would be inadmissible for sound reasons and have been refuted by actual verifiable documentary evidence.

No one is hiding Stanley Ann’s HI transcript. It is HI state policy NOT to release the course details.

Stuart Lau confirmed Stanley Ann Dunham’s UH attendance in an official e-mail to Corsi published in his book. The HI state AG (a total Obot who doubtless hates Corsi) could go after Corsi if the Lau e-mail purporting to be from a state official was forged.

That e-mail confirms Stanley Ann Dunham attending UH in the fall of 1960 and then returning in the spring of 1963. This dovetails perfectly with the UW transcripts also issues by WA state officials. The UW transcript explicitly confirmts the Lau memo and includes course detail from UH that Lau didn’t release.

There is NO MYSTERY regarding how long it took her to graduate whatsoever in terms of coursework. Her 1960 UH credits combined with her 1961-62 UW credits plus her 1963-65 UH credits easily allow for her degree.

There is no evidence of any transcript forgery either in summary or detail and HI and WA Obot AGs would just love to legally crucify Corsi it they could, but they haven’t.


11,570 posted on 04/18/2013 9:08:09 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: GregNH

Greg

Thanks for that info!

Looks like he had some ‘interesting’ info.

Also looks like enough time for hard drive to be copied :0


11,571 posted on 04/18/2013 9:13:20 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Brown Deer

You have mental issues. I haven’t responded to you in going on a yr, & yet you post to me dozens of times a day. It’s not normal or healthy. In fact, it’s about as abnormal a behavior as I have ever seen on FR. I reported you for stalking. I can only hope it does some good.


11,572 posted on 04/18/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; David; LucyT
Hearsay recollections from HS classmates 50 years after the fact as recorded by MSM reporters keen on preserving the “Dreams” narrative and weaving those “memories” into that fake narrative would be inadmissible for sound reasons and have been refuted by actual verifiable documentary evidence.

Link?

No one is hiding Stanley Ann’s HI transcript.

Really? Show it to us then.

Stuart Lau confirmed Stanley Ann Dunham’s UH attendance in an official e-mail to Corsi published in his book.

Really? It's an exact copy of the letter sent to Kidd. So what's your point?

The HI state AG (a total Obot who doubtless hates Corsi) could go after Corsi if the Lau e-mail purporting to be from a state official was forged.

Do you really think he will?

That e-mail confirms Stanley Ann Dunham attending UH in the fall of 1960 and then returning in the spring of 1963. This dovetails perfectly with the UW transcripts also issues by WA state officials.

FACT: there is nothing from Lau that verifies that she attended the University of Washington and/or that the University of Hawaii accepted any credits from them.

The UW transcript explicitly confirmts the Lau memo and includes course detail from UH that Lau didn’t release.

Impossible, the Lau memo is dated July 27, 2009 and the UW transcript was dated Feb 13, 2009.

There is NO MYSTERY regarding how long it took her to graduate whatsoever in terms of coursework.

Nonsense again. Your drama queen BFF is the one stating, over and over again, that it would have been impossible for her to graduate in Hawaii without any credits from Washington.

There is no evidence of any transcript forgery...

Actually there has been.

...and HI and WA Obot AGs would just love to legally crucify Corsi it they could, but they haven’t.

You seem to be the only one that continues to imply that Corsi would have been the one forging the documents.
11,573 posted on 04/18/2013 9:45:20 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: LucyT
You have mental issues.

I think it's obvious who really has the mental problems.

yet you post to me dozens of times a day

and we know who obviously doesn't have a math degree.
11,574 posted on 04/18/2013 9:54:00 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SvenMagnussen
For tax purposes, a person with for nationality living in the U.S. is not a resident unless they have been issued a Green Card and have become a Permanent Resident Alien.

Wrong again.

After he had earnings, he was required to file Form 1040NR with the IRS and use his alien registration number because he was not qualified to obtain a SSN.

But he did have an SSN. It was 575-44-4342.

Why do you continue to post your lies and nonsense?
11,575 posted on 04/18/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: All

Play nicely, children.


11,576 posted on 04/18/2013 11:40:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: All; SvenMagnussen; Cold Case Posse Supporter; WildHighlander57; LucyT; Fantasywriter; ...

“If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoro’s 1973 tax return.”

All:

I am a retired CPA. I found and checked to dependency exemption requirements in 1973. There is NO US citizen requirement for a child or grandchild living in the home with the filer or for whom 50% of the support of the child is provided, and only one party can claim the child.

Therefore either Lolo and Ann on their joint return or the Dunham grandparents could have claimed him, but not both, regardless of his citizenship.

We have the 1973 joint returm for Lolo and Ann and although they didn’t check the box for any dependent children on the first page of the return the did take the exemption for Maya but not Barry. This has NOTHING to do with custody or citizenship.

There is no credible evidence that Barry was NOT a US citizen in 1973 that I have seen.


11,577 posted on 04/18/2013 12:08:13 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: All; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; WildHighlander; Fantasywriter; LucyT

“He wasn’t claimed by Lolo and Stanley Ann on their joint return for 1973, but Maya says he didn’t live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour in their apartment until her mother returned to Indonesia in 1976.”

All:

Maya was a very small child in 1973 and her memory of who was living with whom and the memories of aging Alice Dewey 50 years after the fact as filtered by a newspaper reporter are interesting but would be unreliable hearsay in court for sound reasons, IMO.


11,578 posted on 04/18/2013 12:17:56 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: All; Brown Deer; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; LucyT

Whether Stanley Ann received a mathematics degree or an anthropology degree appears to be contested as of footnote (3) on her current wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

“The University of Hawaii at Manoa Office of the Registrar says Stanley Ann Dunham received a B.A. in Mathematics in August 1967, but the University of Hawaii at Manoa Department of Anthropology says Ann Dunham received a B.A. in Anthropology in August 1967 and contemporaneous correspondence in 1966 and 1967 between S. Ann Soetoro and the INS makes repeated references to her obtaining a B.A. in Anthropology in 1967.”


11,579 posted on 04/18/2013 12:24:22 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“Obama didn’t move in with his grandparents until 1976.”

The article that claims that is NOT reliable and is based on 50 year-old memories of a small child and an elderly woman looking back.

You have not posted the full list of exemptions available for children, relations and children and NONE require US citizenship if the dependent is in the home and/or 50% of support is required.


11,580 posted on 04/18/2013 12:29:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

“the memories of aging Alice Dewey 50 years after the fact as filtered by a newspaper reporter”

Good point. I might also note that I once (& only once) quoted one of SADO’s Seattle friends. Posters rushed out of the woodwork to inform me they’re all liars. It does appear, from what’s been made public, that they are not above lying. Anyone who takes their comments seriously needs to ask themselves about the Seattle friends-of-SADO’s motives. Are they really objective observers, or are they in Obama’s satchel up to their eyebrows?


11,581 posted on 04/18/2013 12:29:30 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: SvenMagnussen

“For tax purposes, a person with for nationality living in the U.S. is not a resident unless they have been issued a Green Card and have become a Permanent Resident Alien.”

This does not apply to a child or grandchild living in the home or receiving 50% of support.


11,582 posted on 04/18/2013 12:32:06 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“For tax purposes, a person with for nationality living in the U.S. is not a resident unless they have been issued a Green Card and have become a Permanent Resident Alien.”

This does not apply to a child or grandchild living in the home or receiving 50% of support.


11,583 posted on 04/18/2013 12:32:10 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp; Brown Deer

Seizure is picking and choosing facts to suit his agenda.

Obama was enrolled Jan. 1, 1968 as an Indonesian National at St. Francis Assisi Elementary school.

A reporter interviewed Obama’s sister about family history and reported Obama began living with his grandparents in 1976 because Maya and her mother moved back to Indonesia. The article indicates Maya and her mother were living in Hawaii from 1973 to 1976 without Lolo. The article makes it clear Obama was living with his grandparents while attended high school.

This doesn’t suit Seizure and Brown Deer’s agenda, so it is ignored. Seizure and Brown Deer don’t have proof the Dunham’s took an exemption for Obama on their 1973 tax return, they only assume it because they would have to admit their wrong if they don’t.


11,584 posted on 04/18/2013 12:41:45 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: Brown Deer

“You seem to be the only one that continues to imply that Corsi would have been the one forging the documents.”

I did no such thing and I have already answered all of your argumentative, insincere “questions” (based on false straw-men) in your content-free comment. I don’t appreciate you putting words into my mouth and distorting the record.

At least we agree 100% about the 1973 tax code! See, we CAN play nice, as Jim Robinson just suggested.


11,585 posted on 04/18/2013 12:44:08 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: All; SvenMagnussen; Brown Deer; Cold Case Posse Supporter; WildHighlander57; Fantasywriter; ...

“Seizure and Brown Deer don’t have proof the Dunham’s took an exemption for Obama on their 1973 tax return, they only assume it because they would have to admit their wrong if they don’t.”

All:

It is SvenMagnussen who has erroneously claimed that neither Lolo and Ann nor the Dunhams could have legally taken Barry as a dependent because he was not a US citizen, which is totally false.

I have claimed that the Dunhams MAY have taken Barry as a dependent in 1973 because he is their grandchild and taking Barry as their dependent grandchild has NOTHING to do with citizenship or custody if the child is resident in the home and/or 50% of support is provided such as sending the child to boarding school.


11,586 posted on 04/18/2013 12:53:32 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Seizethecarp; LucyT
This doesn’t suit Seizure and Brown Deer’s agenda...

I don't think that we have the same agenda.

Seizure and Brown Deer don’t have proof the Dunham’s took an exemption for Obama on their 1973 tax return, they only assume it because they would have to admit their wrong if they don’t.

I've never assumed that the Dunhams reported any dependents on their 1973 tax returns. So you are making up nonsense again.

btw, Maya was only 2 years old in 1973.

The article indicates Maya and her mother were living in Hawaii from 1973 to 1976 without Lolo.

Unless you have some evidence showing separate addresses for the two of them, you are again wasting your time.

Once again, speculation from Sven without providing any evidence.
11,587 posted on 04/18/2013 12:55:58 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
I did no such thing...
I don’t appreciate you putting words into my mouth and distorting the record.


posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 by Seizethecarp:

"UW would have certainly sued Corsi for forging a Washington State document if it was not genuine as shown in his book, IMO."

"The HI state AG (a total Obot who doubtless hates Corsi) could go after Corsi if the Lau e-mail purporting to be from a state official was forged."
11,588 posted on 04/18/2013 1:05:49 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp; Jim Robinson; Brown Deer; WildHighlander57; MestaMachine; thouworm; Rushmore Rocks; ..

*

Sorry, Carp.

Anyone can post almost anything on Wikipedia, whether it’s true, or not.

Not long ago, malicious disinformation about Freepers and Free Republic was posted on Wikipedia. The false information was eventually removed. Wikipedia usually presents accurate scientific information, but politically, occasionally someone has an agenda.

.


11,589 posted on 04/18/2013 1:15:49 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Seizethecarp
Whether Stanley Ann received a mathematics degree or an anthropology degree appears to be contested...

So who should the "HI state AG" be going after for this incident?

a) Wikipedia
b) the poster on the Wikipedia page
c) the University of Hawaii
d) the Math Department
e) Stuart Lau
11,590 posted on 04/18/2013 1:19:20 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
I have claimed that the Dunhams MAY have taken Barry as a dependent in 1973...

lol, Sven really got that accusation wrong, didn't he?
11,591 posted on 04/18/2013 1:26:22 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SvenMagnussen

I grant you all that from your previous comment, but what I’m trying to say is that nowhere, until the tax return showed up with the immigration file, did anyone notice that Lolo was living in Hawaii regardless of whether he was living with his wife or not. The myth is that zero arrived in Hawaii on his own (he waved goodbye to her at the airport)a year before she did, she sent him to live with his grandparents ‘for his education’ and when she did arrive, they played happy families.


11,592 posted on 04/18/2013 1:41:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fantasywriter; Brown Deer; Fred Nerks
Hmmm. So according to you if someone pings you but you haven't pinged them then that is not normal.

Let me see, at this post I made, 11458 You replied to that post here at 11460 even though that original post was not directed to you. In fact in just the last few days you have posted quit a few times to people who have not posted to you directly in other threads not just this one, but then again you declared in this post" Your approach appears to be to think about things & then throw questions out for consideration & possible discussion. Nothing in the world wrong w that. It’s a discussion forum, after all. Carry on." Right after you wrote this There are drama queens on the thread. Pay no attention to them in that post yet as I pointed out you are the one that inserted yourself into the discussion and obviously can't take your own "pay no attention to them" advice! And I would note that you didn't ping that drama queens either.

You called Fred an idiot here, and nuts here in just the last few days.

Place nicely, children.

Your comment to Brown Deer I haven’t responded to you in going on a yr, & yet you post to me dozens of times a day.

Brown Deer since Sunday has posted comments to 18 other people on a variety of other threads, started 1 thread, and made comments to 14 different people on this thread besides you. You were included in 6 post along with others and 5 post directly to you. That is 11 comments to you from Brown Deer or 0.183 dozen comments/day to you.

Brown Deer has made incredible contributions to the FReerepublic in many areas including at the beginnings of this very thread that caused me to join just a few days after this thread started.

Brown Deer does not have mental issues, Fred Nerks is not an idiot or nuts.

11,593 posted on 04/18/2013 1:58:56 PM PDT by GregNH (I would love to visit Tasmania!)
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To: GregNH; Brown Deer; David
Peek: Obama Skip-Tracer Raided By FBI; Computer Filled With Obama Evidence Taken

You're not sure what to make of that...but I think I have an idea. He might have been the one who entered the name BHO2 into a background search and up popped the man from Equatorial Guinea. The enigmatic Obama who attended the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, the institution to which Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga obtained a number of scholarships, one of which he gave to his own son, the other son Raila, attended a university in East Germany. The background search showed a birthdate for this gentleman written as 8.1.1961 and everyone assumed that was August 1. It's not. He would have carried an Equatorial Guinea passport and the date is written in the european fashion. That's January 8, 1961.

SEATTLE TIMES

You'll notice that when the article was reprinted a few days later, the names were changed:

CHICAGO TRIBUNE.

Last seen in Washington DC he would be very hot property.

11,594 posted on 04/18/2013 2:00:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: GregNH
...Brown Deer does not have mental issues, Fred Nerks is not an idiot or nuts.

Chuckle; I can vouch for it! Man, you sure did some background search for all that, thanks.

11,595 posted on 04/18/2013 2:13:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: GregNH

First, you are out & out lying about what I said to Fred Nerks. Why are you lying about me & what I said. KNOCK IT OFF!

Second, you are wholly misrepresenting the whole stalker issue. So let me spell it out for you.

Suppose there is a person who never, ever posts to you. Let’s say you post a dozen or so times to that person, & they never reply.

That just might be a HINT.

But suppose you don’t take the hint. You post to them another three or four dozen time.

That IS a hint.

But you don’t take it. In all, you post to them literally hundreds of times. Never once, in all that time, do they respond. Most of your posts, btw, consist only of insults. [BD did in fact call me “stupid” & “lazy”. Where’s your outrage over that???] & you just keep on doing it day after day after day after day after day etc. etc. etc.

That is anti-social obsessive-compulsive behavior. I haven’t done it to anyone & I can’t imagine doing it to anyone. But it’s been done to me, and you appear to find it offensive that at last it might come to an end. What’s the matter w you? Do you actually LIKE watching anti-social behavior? It’s not pretty, & FR is better off w’out it.

Now stop lying about me. It’s obnoxious. In fact, stop posting to me. You harassed me incessantly yesterday re: Obama’s scars, merely because I said I don’t know how he got them. Now you’re on another tear. How about this: LEAVE ME ALONE. I will return the favor.


11,596 posted on 04/18/2013 2:17:21 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks
I don't know what to make of that...

I my thought was are they investigating Zero, or scrubbing?

11,597 posted on 04/18/2013 2:29:01 PM PDT by GregNH (I would love to visit Tasmania!)
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To: LucyT

“Anyone can post almost anything on Wikipedia, whether it’s true, or not.”

True, but Wiki has sources and the two sources for the claims are given and I have seen them elsewhere.

When assessing claims regarding records I always ask “Is the claim verifiable? Is there a custodian of the document that can be subpoenaed and if they were would their testimony meet the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE)?

In this case, the answer is yes for both Stanley Ann’s record in the HI transcript archive and for the Anthropology Dept. archive.


11,598 posted on 04/18/2013 2:36:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Fred Nerks
It didn't take too long but the comments to me and others, including and especially you, that were simply off topic and at times completely weird. Now I am being called an incessant poster. I thought I was being patient in trying to get some discourse going as this is after all a discussion forum....

Watson: Of course not. He knows you’re an idiot.

11,599 posted on 04/18/2013 2:37:08 PM PDT by GregNH (I would love to visit Tasmania!)
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To: Brown Deer

“So who should the “HI state AG” be going after for this incident?”

You have created yet another straw man. A discrepancy between the UH transcript records and the UH Anthropology Dept. (part of the same legal entity: the State of HI) cannot give rise to a charge of forgery that would be brought by the AG of that same state of HI entity.

Hawaii would be suing itself!


11,600 posted on 04/18/2013 2:41:17 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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