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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
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Includes your footnote 25 from the Journal of American History pages.
But because of the out of sequence BC registry number (BO supposedly born hours before the Nordyke twins yet he has a three or four digits larger BC registry number), I'm more inclined to believe the address was for another child who did not live long and the number was taken up by Barry along with the address ... only one line to chang in the microfiche forgeries archived at at most five locations in Hawaii.
Sandy Burger's socks will hold more microfiche than that!
Perhaps. And it, perhaps, may explain the timing of why the 10-year-old child was sent back to HI for a very expensive education — education obviously being an important priority to the child’s mother, who was registered in courses within weeks of his birth (and Indonesia having one of the worst ed systems in the world at the time).
Let’s not forget that the half-sister also attended Punahou — quite an expense for a bank VP without a college degree, living in one of the highest cost-of-living states in the Union, with a husband who, well, didn’t quite make much of a living...but we should believe that, miraculously, both of these children received scholarships to Punahou, and then he to Occidental..how idyllic.
I’m an Aussie. Maybe a bit thick...but I’ll always try to give you a straight answer to a straight question, if I can.
Now, what’s the question?
Remember, it is unlikely that the annoucements are authentic, since Obama’s lawyers failed to ask the court to take judicial notice of them (see http://jbjd.wordpress.com/category/birth-announcement/).
You know a variation of that may not be too far off the motivation that explains her conduct.
She wasn't afraid of Obama Sr.; he was in Hawaii thousands of miles away. She was concerned about his relatives.
You get her back to Seattle around August 6 West Coast Time with that theory consistent with the evidence.
I don't see her in fear of Obama Sr. Her statements to Susan to the contrary could be a lie. But, after all of this; she spends a year in Seattle and Hawaii, and then goes back to Cambridge to try to put the deal back together again; doesn't sound like she is afraid of him.
In the US? SADO is a very strong young lady. Obama Sr. is still on an uptick--he can't afford to have that kind of problem in the US for a whole host of reasons. She would run him through if her father didn't.
Between August 6, 1961 and September 25, 1961, she had some kind of more or less direct communication with Sr. that resulted in a decision that she couldn't put the deal back together again in Hawaii and she opted to go to school at Washington which is where she wanted to be anyway.
It might be helpful to know when she made that decision. I remain of the view that it is likely she made it all the way back to Hawaii and consulted with her mother who I view as the moving force. I think that was part of a scheme designed to assure U S Citizenship for the baby. But at present, I don't think we can prove that.
Now, whats the question?
There wasn't any. It was a statement.
David are you sure she went to Cambridge to try to put it back together? There may be other reason's that she went to Cambridge to see him/his lifestyle.
I posted the background story to the ‘birth announcement’ and how they were received by Atlas Shrugs & Texasdarlin - and who sent them...
on the previous long thread:
But DO NOT attempt to go to the link I provided, I just did, I got a ‘broken link’ notice and then my comp froze...
"All attempts to debunk Obamad Kenyan BC, that I submitted for authentication were debunked.
Salon attempts to debunk Kenyan birth ceriticate twice, fails Salon ran an article which is barely worth mentioning in an attempt to discredit the Obama Kenyan birth certificate, reported previously on this site. The first attempt, which was proven to be fabricated, was an alleged South Australian template that the Obama Kenyan birth certificate was designed from
This was quickly debunked here.[Ed. Pretty sure is was quickly debunked here (at FR) first].
Now, a more credible attempt has been released from the same source - Salon. But I believe this is also another fake as I will show [Ed. goes on to show many of the same images posted here and since debunked as well.]
Also of interest is that many claimed E.F. Lavender was a soap used in Kenya. However, that name has been identified as accurate here.
[Ed. Note what appears to be the date of the article - Tuesday 13 July 1915.]
Apparently, the proprorted Kenyan B.C. is yet to be examined by court appointed officials. TBD.
Natural Born Citizenship: Statutory versus Constitutional
As an aside, regarding your link to the ‘proliberty.com’ site, you might want a generous dose of salt with that since the author believes the Illuminati in their occult power are out to control the world ... occultism obsession is not a healthy sign.
Actually it looks like the just copied and pasted various sections of threads we use regarding the subject....No original thought, that I could find.
Now here’s a funny one, I looked for the Victorian United Law Clerks Society, of which Lavender was shown as Secretary in 1915 - and found this -
“...In 1957, Professor Zelman Cowen (then Dean of the Faculty and later Governor-General of Australia) re-established the journal along the model of the Harvard Law Review (which had been run by law students since it commenced publication in 1887) and renamed it the Melbourne University Law Review. This move coincided with a period of expansion both in reputation and size at the Melbourne Law School and marked a number of staff and student exchanges to prominent American law schools...
You don't really even know that, as far as his age. Some dated photographs located by Fred Nerks put Stanley Dunham (the grandfather, not the mother) in Hawaii quite a bit earlier than believed. The whole thing could spin off of Obama having been born before statehood, for all we know at this point. It's all been deliberately muddied.
What we do know, is that his eligibility is murky at best due to his having been born to an alien father, and that he's flat out ineligible under several, originalist interpretations. I'm of the opinion that there only is an originalist interpretation, since the language of the Constitution itself precludes anything else.
Well fine, you can speculate about why she went back there but the essential point was that she wasn't sufficiently afraid of him to deter her from going back there.
I don't really see anything that leads you to think that spousal abuse is the cause for termination of their relationship in August of 1961. I agree that she had some sense of urgency to return to the U S from Kenya but the source of that urgency is speculative.
One last try, and I’m dropping all this again: I’m going to point out that the FReeper in question has been questionable all along, outside of FR, possibly Town Hall, and a few other blogs. He was being questioned and mocked last summer, because he had an odd habit of exploding whenever anyone questioned his blossoming resumé and his increasingly grandiose claims. His identity has now been disclosed, and his efforts were themselves an apparent fraud. He’s reportedly withdrawn from FR and ceased using the screen name in question, out of fear of being served a summons due to a lawsuit.
As far as the value of any, purported “forensics” on a JPEG, you should consider just why you believe anything to be genuine, within such an image, that you’ve deemed a forgery. “Bleed through” on a JPEG? Really? You accept that as genuine, because you were led to accept it as so. I work with PhotoShop myself, daily, and can tell you that it’s entirely possible to create such an image from whole cloth, given a reasonable amount of time to accomplish such a thing, but you accept that there is some paper original, that has been modified and therefore falsified. Think about that.
But, as far as the legalities of the matter are concerned, the visible, legible, printed information, presented as factual, contained within this JPEG image of a purported Hawaiian birth document poses another level of difficulty, if it’s falsified outright. Think about that, too.
So, looking at and questioning the significance of “African” on this thing is very likely more valid than following the lead of a now-known serial manipulator, a psychologist with a string of strange online efforts, such as being an “online dating expert,” who claimed at one point to have a PhD in typewriters.
Now, flame away with your patented, personal style. I’ve found it highly amusing, myself, whenever it’s not being directed at me. You’ve been wrong in doing so, whenever you have, though.
Consider some other hypothetical scenarios.
Perhaps Ann and Madelyn proposed to hide Ann’s pregnancy and leave the newborn child with Barak Hussein Obama Sr.’s other wife and family in Kenya; but Ann, Barak’s father, and/or the Obama family ultimately declined to do so?
Madelyn Dunham found it necessary to improvise a false registration of a Hawaiian birth certificate for the foreign born grandson when it became apparent the child was not going to remain in custody with the Obama family in Kenya?
First scenario: Ann travels to Kenya for the purpose of reconciling with her husband’s family, but she is unsuccessful in being accepted into the Muslim Obama family. (1) Ann’s son is born in Mombasa, Kenya, resulting in a Kenyan birth certificate for the child. (2) The U.S. Consulate informs Ann that she is too young to convey U.S. citizenship to her son, so the child’s citizenship is only British and ineligible for inclusion on Ann’s U.S. passport or immediate naturalization as a U.S. citizen. (3) Ann arranged before or after the birth to have Madelyn Dunham register the birth in Hawaii, thereby falsely establishing U.S. citizenship. (4) Ann flies with the child from Nairobi, Kenya to Vancouver, British Columbia on her U.S. passport, where the Hawaiian birth certificate has been delivered for Ann to pickup. (5) Ann uses the Hawaiian birth certificate as the documentation for passing through U.S. Customs from Vancouver, British Columbia to Seattle, Washington.
Another scenario: Ann travels to Kenya for the purpose of reconciling with her husband’s family, but she and her son are unsuccessful in being accepted into the Muslim Obama family. Ann flies with the newborn child from Nairobi, Kenya to Vancouver, British Columbia or to SEA via SFO, entering the U.S. with her child on a British passport obtained by virtue of her marriage to Obama Sr.? Once Ann is in Seattle, she resumes usage of her U.S. passport and use’s the Hawaiian birth certificate falsely registered by Madelyn Dunham in Honolulu to pur her son on her U.S. passport?