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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
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Includes your footnote 25 from the Journal of American History pages.
But because of the out of sequence BC registry number (BO supposedly born hours before the Nordyke twins yet he has a three or four digits larger BC registry number), I'm more inclined to believe the address was for another child who did not live long and the number was taken up by Barry along with the address ... only one line to chang in the microfiche forgeries archived at at most five locations in Hawaii.
Sandy Burger's socks will hold more microfiche than that!
Perhaps. And it, perhaps, may explain the timing of why the 10-year-old child was sent back to HI for a very expensive education — education obviously being an important priority to the child’s mother, who was registered in courses within weeks of his birth (and Indonesia having one of the worst ed systems in the world at the time).
Let’s not forget that the half-sister also attended Punahou — quite an expense for a bank VP without a college degree, living in one of the highest cost-of-living states in the Union, with a husband who, well, didn’t quite make much of a living...but we should believe that, miraculously, both of these children received scholarships to Punahou, and then he to Occidental..how idyllic.
I’m an Aussie. Maybe a bit thick...but I’ll always try to give you a straight answer to a straight question, if I can.
Now, what’s the question?
Remember, it is unlikely that the annoucements are authentic, since Obama’s lawyers failed to ask the court to take judicial notice of them (see http://jbjd.wordpress.com/category/birth-announcement/).
You know a variation of that may not be too far off the motivation that explains her conduct.
She wasn't afraid of Obama Sr.; he was in Hawaii thousands of miles away. She was concerned about his relatives.
You get her back to Seattle around August 6 West Coast Time with that theory consistent with the evidence.
I don't see her in fear of Obama Sr. Her statements to Susan to the contrary could be a lie. But, after all of this; she spends a year in Seattle and Hawaii, and then goes back to Cambridge to try to put the deal back together again; doesn't sound like she is afraid of him.
In the US? SADO is a very strong young lady. Obama Sr. is still on an uptick--he can't afford to have that kind of problem in the US for a whole host of reasons. She would run him through if her father didn't.
Between August 6, 1961 and September 25, 1961, she had some kind of more or less direct communication with Sr. that resulted in a decision that she couldn't put the deal back together again in Hawaii and she opted to go to school at Washington which is where she wanted to be anyway.
It might be helpful to know when she made that decision. I remain of the view that it is likely she made it all the way back to Hawaii and consulted with her mother who I view as the moving force. I think that was part of a scheme designed to assure U S Citizenship for the baby. But at present, I don't think we can prove that.
Now, whats the question?
There wasn't any. It was a statement.
David are you sure she went to Cambridge to try to put it back together? There may be other reason's that she went to Cambridge to see him/his lifestyle.
I posted the background story to the ‘birth announcement’ and how they were received by Atlas Shrugs & Texasdarlin - and who sent them...
on the previous long thread:
But DO NOT attempt to go to the link I provided, I just did, I got a ‘broken link’ notice and then my comp froze...
"All attempts to debunk Obamad Kenyan BC, that I submitted for authentication were debunked.
Salon attempts to debunk Kenyan birth ceriticate twice, fails Salon ran an article which is barely worth mentioning in an attempt to discredit the Obama Kenyan birth certificate, reported previously on this site. The first attempt, which was proven to be fabricated, was an alleged South Australian template that the Obama Kenyan birth certificate was designed from
This was quickly debunked here.[Ed. Pretty sure is was quickly debunked here (at FR) first].
Now, a more credible attempt has been released from the same source - Salon. But I believe this is also another fake as I will show [Ed. goes on to show many of the same images posted here and since debunked as well.]
Also of interest is that many claimed E.F. Lavender was a soap used in Kenya. However, that name has been identified as accurate here.
[Ed. Note what appears to be the date of the article - Tuesday 13 July 1915.]
Apparently, the proprorted Kenyan B.C. is yet to be examined by court appointed officials. TBD.
Natural Born Citizenship: Statutory versus Constitutional
As an aside, regarding your link to the ‘proliberty.com’ site, you might want a generous dose of salt with that since the author believes the Illuminati in their occult power are out to control the world ... occultism obsession is not a healthy sign.
Actually it looks like the just copied and pasted various sections of threads we use regarding the subject....No original thought, that I could find.
Now here’s a funny one, I looked for the Victorian United Law Clerks Society, of which Lavender was shown as Secretary in 1915 - and found this -
“...In 1957, Professor Zelman Cowen (then Dean of the Faculty and later Governor-General of Australia) re-established the journal along the model of the Harvard Law Review (which had been run by law students since it commenced publication in 1887) and renamed it the Melbourne University Law Review. This move coincided with a period of expansion both in reputation and size at the Melbourne Law School and marked a number of staff and student exchanges to prominent American law schools...
You don't really even know that, as far as his age. Some dated photographs located by Fred Nerks put Stanley Dunham (the grandfather, not the mother) in Hawaii quite a bit earlier than believed. The whole thing could spin off of Obama having been born before statehood, for all we know at this point. It's all been deliberately muddied.
What we do know, is that his eligibility is murky at best due to his having been born to an alien father, and that he's flat out ineligible under several, originalist interpretations. I'm of the opinion that there only is an originalist interpretation, since the language of the Constitution itself precludes anything else.
Well fine, you can speculate about why she went back there but the essential point was that she wasn't sufficiently afraid of him to deter her from going back there.
I don't really see anything that leads you to think that spousal abuse is the cause for termination of their relationship in August of 1961. I agree that she had some sense of urgency to return to the U S from Kenya but the source of that urgency is speculative.
One last try, and I’m dropping all this again: I’m going to point out that the FReeper in question has been questionable all along, outside of FR, possibly Town Hall, and a few other blogs. He was being questioned and mocked last summer, because he had an odd habit of exploding whenever anyone questioned his blossoming resumé and his increasingly grandiose claims. His identity has now been disclosed, and his efforts were themselves an apparent fraud. He’s reportedly withdrawn from FR and ceased using the screen name in question, out of fear of being served a summons due to a lawsuit.
As far as the value of any, purported “forensics” on a JPEG, you should consider just why you believe anything to be genuine, within such an image, that you’ve deemed a forgery. “Bleed through” on a JPEG? Really? You accept that as genuine, because you were led to accept it as so. I work with PhotoShop myself, daily, and can tell you that it’s entirely possible to create such an image from whole cloth, given a reasonable amount of time to accomplish such a thing, but you accept that there is some paper original, that has been modified and therefore falsified. Think about that.
But, as far as the legalities of the matter are concerned, the visible, legible, printed information, presented as factual, contained within this JPEG image of a purported Hawaiian birth document poses another level of difficulty, if it’s falsified outright. Think about that, too.
So, looking at and questioning the significance of “African” on this thing is very likely more valid than following the lead of a now-known serial manipulator, a psychologist with a string of strange online efforts, such as being an “online dating expert,” who claimed at one point to have a PhD in typewriters.
Now, flame away with your patented, personal style. I’ve found it highly amusing, myself, whenever it’s not being directed at me. You’ve been wrong in doing so, whenever you have, though.
Consider some other hypothetical scenarios.
Perhaps Ann and Madelyn proposed to hide Ann’s pregnancy and leave the newborn child with Barak Hussein Obama Sr.’s other wife and family in Kenya; but Ann, Barak’s father, and/or the Obama family ultimately declined to do so?
Madelyn Dunham found it necessary to improvise a false registration of a Hawaiian birth certificate for the foreign born grandson when it became apparent the child was not going to remain in custody with the Obama family in Kenya?
First scenario: Ann travels to Kenya for the purpose of reconciling with her husband’s family, but she is unsuccessful in being accepted into the Muslim Obama family. (1) Ann’s son is born in Mombasa, Kenya, resulting in a Kenyan birth certificate for the child. (2) The U.S. Consulate informs Ann that she is too young to convey U.S. citizenship to her son, so the child’s citizenship is only British and ineligible for inclusion on Ann’s U.S. passport or immediate naturalization as a U.S. citizen. (3) Ann arranged before or after the birth to have Madelyn Dunham register the birth in Hawaii, thereby falsely establishing U.S. citizenship. (4) Ann flies with the child from Nairobi, Kenya to Vancouver, British Columbia on her U.S. passport, where the Hawaiian birth certificate has been delivered for Ann to pickup. (5) Ann uses the Hawaiian birth certificate as the documentation for passing through U.S. Customs from Vancouver, British Columbia to Seattle, Washington.
Another scenario: Ann travels to Kenya for the purpose of reconciling with her husband’s family, but she and her son are unsuccessful in being accepted into the Muslim Obama family. Ann flies with the newborn child from Nairobi, Kenya to Vancouver, British Columbia or to SEA via SFO, entering the U.S. with her child on a British passport obtained by virtue of her marriage to Obama Sr.? Once Ann is in Seattle, she resumes usage of her U.S. passport and use’s the Hawaiian birth certificate falsely registered by Madelyn Dunham in Honolulu to pur her son on her U.S. passport?
That’s why I said “approximately.” And I should have said “male baby.”
Is there proof that she went to Cambridge, or just the hearsay evidence from the friend who said she was traveling thorough Seattle on the way there to meet her husband?
Corsi article @ WND re missing six months in life of Ann Obama
You make claims that I cannot possibly know the forgery is a forgery, yet I can easily refute your sycophantic whine with just a magnification which shows no raised seal on the first forgery placed on line for your messiah.
In contrast, hoosiermama put up an image of what she called a blank BC, but it is obvious it had data that was removed to make it look blank, yet the raised seal is visible when magnification is used on the jpg! You're here spinning for your disgusting affirmative action liar.
Now, spittle on and expose yourself some more, obot! Have a few more punches at that 'attack the source and misdirect from the object' methodology. You go out of the way to smear Polarik when he isn't the issue. And you know he's not the issue, so you're disgusting in the main.
To me, it's clear that you've gotten sucked into a shell game. The "blank form" posted above shows clear evidence of having information cloned out in an amateurish manner, but that in and of itself does nothing to prove that the image is geniune, or a forgery. The "raised seal" is comprised of pixels, and you're responding to an illusion that may or may not represent the physical reality of the object, assuming there actually is such an object. It's entirely possible to create such a thing from scratch, as I've pointed out.
And, if you don't want to accept what I'm saying, then please recall the image of the purported document in question that circulated a while back, that had THREE "raised seals" in a row. So, they were clearly added to the document. Now, how might one go about isolating the pixels that created such a thing? And, how might one go about stepping and repeating the security pattern in the background to remove such a thing?
Are you really not able to see how much fakery you're getting caught up in, above and beyond the assumption that the "COLB' or whatever, is "forged?" To what end? Looking at the source, I've concluded that it was, by design, put out there to preoccupy folks such as yourself, kind of like one of those joke beverage coasters that say "Please See Other Side" on both sides.
So, it really is a house of mirrors. But, you seem to enjoy it there. Have fun. I've said my peace.
As a ‘last worder’, your obsession must be fed. Your continued spinning to blur the reality of your messiah is quite revealing. And your pernicious jello on the wall game is also interesting. Just so you realize how stupid you’re looking, if someone posts an image of a document they claim to be a blank and thus useable for filing information if applied to the form, seeing the image of the raised seal invalidates the claim. That is the issue with the faked CoLB you want to divert attention from. You know it, I know it, and the entire reading public of this thread know it. Spin somewhere else, obot. You’re stealth curtain is no longer hiding you now.
LOL, looking at the linebacker he's married to, I might throw that into question, but Larry Sinclair vouches for it, so I suppose you're within the known facts.
All humor aside, we know:
1) He was born, somewhere.
2) His name is uncertain, due to questions over marriage and adoption.
3) He was raised largely by Mr. Stanley Dunham and Mrs. Madelyn Dunham, as far as what is in evidence.
4) He has a known history in Hawaii, in later childhood.
5) All his formative and college years were filled with various political radicals, including every known family member.
6) He attended various colleges and universities, but records of this have been withheld.
7) He was elected to the Illinois state legislature.
8) He was elected to the US Senate.
9) He was elected President.
What gaps are there in this, as far as what is literally known, with incontrovertible evidence to back it up?
This is the whole article:
This seems to be a detailed, documented source.
The Obama Timeline: 1961-2008
News from another thread. We’ve all been looking under the wrong name. Our pres. is actually Irish, family name O’Spamo.;~)
Accounts I read had Lolo penniless and living on Stanley Ann’s charity at the end of his life. She arranged to have him admitted to a hospital before he died. I don’t think he had money, unless he had hidden it all these years in secret bank accounts.
It is not the hearsay from Susan Blake. I believe it is from a news report in a Chicago Paper. Although I have no recollection of what their source was. It originally came up when the Susan Blake interview was being dissected on the Long Thread--her recollection about the reason for the Seattle trip was wrong because he didn't go to Cambridge until August of 1962. A follow on to that was that she had in fact had her own trip there as well but it was in a later period. I haven't looked at that for some time--I don't really view it as a critical fact and haven't looked at the evidence.
That was in part responsive to the comment about abuse; but I suppose it would also be an important fact establishing the historical relationship--as has often been pointed out here, there is very little evidence about the relationship between Sr. and SADO.
So Obama put out a FAKE COLB on purpose, just to give us something to do? Did he also invent his foreign citizen father so we would investigate the NBC issue?
You give these people WAY too much credit. I know we JOKE about Obama being the “Messiah”, He really ISN’T.
He’s just an arrogant to the max bully with an overdose of chutzpah. He bluffed his way into the white house and is trying to force his socialist, Stalinist, Marxist, radical ideas on to the American people. Chutzpah and bravado only get you so far and Obummer has reached the end of his rope. (can I say that?). The tide is turning in the public continuousness, the town halls, the states, the courts, the military, even in the unwitting main stream news media. The jig is up (can I say that?). It is only a matter of time now that it has started to unravel. I suspect a relative short period of time. When this happens, it will be like the heavens opened and poured out a biblical FLOOD of pent up information to the American people. After this flood takes place, he won’t last a month. His own supporters will turn on him trying to salvage their own careers. He won’t have a friend in the free world. BUT, don’t feel too sorry for him. There is always Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea to call home. He’ll fit right in.
2. From http://antimullah.com/ and viewing the 2 Vids posted he has some well stated issues. Worth the time to view. To me the most interesting comments were concerning Use of Certification in Vid 1 and HI Health Officials statements VS media spin in Vid 2. Sometimes 'how' something is explained gives better clarity.
I have never thought the newspaper Birth Announcements were significant. If they are real--so what? They say exactly what they would say if they acknowledged he was born in Kenya. A and B had a child they named C--they live at xyz. Nothing about a Doctor or Hospital. Nothing of any substance.
It would be significant if you could prove there was no announcement--it would cast doubt on the fairy tale. Looks at this point as though it may be difficult to do that although an original copy of one of the newspapers that had a different announcement in that space might be effective.
From your mouth to God's ears . . .
It has occurred to me recently that the adoring press coverage of Michelle has been rather subdued lately. Hopefully the worm is beginning to turn.
It could be that OBUMMER has out the breaks on his old lady, fearful that she would put her foot, ah no — take her foot out of her mouth and say something that’ll bring the whole house down.
I haven't seen or read anything to indicate that Lolo was "penniless." There was one mention of Ann helping him to get admitted to a US hospital (in California, I believe) for treatment, but that was offered by way of illustrating how the two remained friends after the divorce.
Do you have a link to the "penniless" reference?
No, no link. I read it a long time ago and it could have been just as you say. I might have “inferred” the penniless part. It could have been in Jerone Corsi’s book, the Obama Nation. I’ll see if I can find it.
You are correct, thank you.
From “Dreams...” — page 26, last paragraph:
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
He knew he had a problem. The Senate knew he had a problem. There have been numerous attempts before the fact, to smooth the way.
Do I think Obama put out a "fake" purported birth document? No, I don't think Obama did, since he's carefully kept the whole thing at arms' length. Is the information contained within the image we've seen deliberately wrong to mislead
I have my doubts that this is so, because of the legal ramifications, for whoever was responsible. Do I think a great many games were played with the JPEG image, to keep (especially) FReepers chasing their tails? Yes, I do. As far as a noncitizen, legal father, that cannot be hidden. But, that there have been strategies to deliberately muddy the water on this, of that I have no doubt.
Gibbs brought this issue into arms length by stating “that’s why WE posted it on the internet”
That was a major slip up. It had been carefully distanced prior.
Lets face up to it. Obama is the front man for a host of diabolical conspirators. They have been at work plotting this particular takeover attempt jfor a long time. The facilitators vary in their degree of knowledge, from those who know the whole deceitful story to the useful idiots who blindly support him from a cult worship perspective.
And if the liar was born in 1957, his mother that he claims was underaged and living in Washington State going to Mercer Island High School. Barak Obama was still in Kenya, too. The typo will be an interesting thing to watch, to see if it is corrected to agree with the liar’s claimed history.
I think the liar has shown the agenda he will follow if he sees his power slipping. He stayed in close contact with the bloody cousin Odinga in Kenya durign the orchestrated ‘community activism’ which murdered people with machetes and burn down hundreds of Christian churches, sometimes with the congregants inside. Violence is always the last resort for bastards like Barry Soetoro. He will not go slinking away. He is a malignant narcissist, and dangerous.
So read the story from Tom Fife again...