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To: Abd al-Rahiim; MHGinTN

Nope. The the issue being decided in case you cite only dealt with citizenship, not Natural Born citizenship.

Reading the quotes you included in your reply, and applying the same logic you are using, it would appear you are saying the Court in Wong Kim Ark actually decided the definition of ‘natural-born subjects’ in the U. S.

Do you really mean to conclude that many of us here are SUBJECTS of the United States? Anathema! Traitorous!

We are sovereigns, not subjects.

So, take your QED and introduce it to a place where the sun don’t shine.


1,170 posted on 08/08/2009 5:17:26 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: savedbygrace
If Wong Kim Ark had nothing to do with natural-born citizenship, then why did Justice Gray spend a great deal of time clarifying the meaning of "natural-born"? If the case truly had nothing to do with "natural-born," as you assert, then Justice Gray would not have had to go back to English common law and analyze "natural-born" to the extent that he did.

I remind you that in Minor, Chief Justice Waite wrote, "...it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens...were natives, or natural-born citizens..." (emphasis mine). Justice Gray referred to this in the Court's opinion in Wong Kim Ark, and Justice Gray came to the same conclusion regarding the meaning of "natural-born." Since you have no other substantive arguments, you chose to create a red herring and focus on the wholly irrelevant "subjects" instead of the highly relevant "natural-born."

1,171 posted on 08/08/2009 6:28:53 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: savedbygrace
Agitprops like 'Abd al-Rahiim' are doing what the criminal enterprise democrat party (and by extension, their chosen affirmative action fraud) must do to keep the nation divided into the nasty little niches they exploit: the chief deceivers need to fabricate arguments upon which constituencies may latch in order to have an excuse to continue supporting/worshipping a wicked, destroying party and it's political leadership. The process is as old as evil's waltz with humankind.

These posters don't deal in truth, they deal in deceit, ever seeking to make their purposed, calculate lies, 'plausible' to those who want to believe lies rather than find the truth. Such deceit requires a mindset so twisted that truth really doesn't matter, winning and empowerment for their lies is what matters to them.

We have two or three spittling on this thread for just such obvious purpose. They are schooled in Alinskyesque methodology, relying on ridicule, condescension, and outright lies to do their dirty service to their father ...

1,175 posted on 08/08/2009 9:16:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: savedbygrace

You might also not that once a deceiver gets registered in a court ruling (Gray was appoiinted by Arthur and had a vested interest in twisting the meaning of the Constitution to lend credibility to his illegitimate appointer), the professional liars resort to that deceit as the basis for their faux truth.


1,176 posted on 08/08/2009 9:18:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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