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To: SeekAndFind

The low “costs” of public funded healthcare today are passed along to those paying privately through cash and insurance options.

It is a lie to say that everyone will get those rates if we nationalize medicine.


2 posted on 08/03/2009 2:01:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Private insurance currently allows the existence of ALL private practice, non-governmental physicians who are not salaried by a hospital or govt facilities. They are the only bastion against medicine by BUREAUCRATIC ALGORHYTHM ONLY. It is the last bastion of non-socialist or quasi-socialist (healthcare providers as insurance favored providers at discounted fees is partly socialist in intent) healthcare in a supposedly FREE society.

Obama intends to eliminate ALL private insurance. Only some doctors from private practice will be asked to participate in hospital related groups and comply completely with the mandated medical practice parameters.
Most private practice MDs.....will be gone.


19 posted on 08/03/2009 2:33:04 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: a fool in paradise

Better the Devil I klnow.


20 posted on 08/03/2009 2:34:24 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: a fool in paradise
The greatest moral crisis of our age is that government, using our own money, has crafted a seduction of Christian moral values in how it has changed the social contract implied in the Constitution.

Previously, we had a government of limited and enumerated powers, with the rights retained by the people.

The New Deal is simple: you get to live at the expense of others if you will allow others to live at your expense. We are encouraged to allow this because we are lead to believe that we each get the better half of the bargain.

This of course is made possible by the violation of three of the Ten Commandments: lies, coveting and theft (under the color of law, but still theft).

22 posted on 08/03/2009 2:39:25 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: a fool in paradise
I am sooooooooo sick and tired of the MSM and liberal talking point that Medicare only has 3% overhead, blah, blah, blah.

I have worked, on the physician side, as a coder/auditor of medical bills for over 15 years. I consider myself a professional. I can say, without hesitation, that the reason that Medicare has such a low overhead is because they leave the real work to every one else!

Every billing department that I have either worked with, or dealt with has 3 to 5 times the amount of workers dealing with Medicare and Medicaid regulations as it does for the rest of the insurances combined.

Medicare also contracts the administration and payment of the program to PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES! For example NY Medicare is administered by Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Wisconsin, which I am most familiar with, uses WPS. So I am unsure if those companies administration costs are calculated into the 3% or not.

Medicare and Medicaid have so many regulations that must be followed that it takes the provider multiple workers just to work through them.

So in the end, if we went to a government run health insurance, I will bet my life that although the governments overhead would be less, the Dr's overhead would skyrocket.

I happen to think that things should be changed in the health insurance world. I just don't think anything, anyone has put forward so far is the answer. I don't have the answer either, but I do think more people going to truly catastrophic insurance may be closest to what is needed. After all if auto insurance had to pay for every oil change, no one would be able to afford it.

26 posted on 08/03/2009 2:57:43 PM PDT by codercpc
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The private insurance pays healthcare providers more money than Medicare or Medicaid—they are what keeps doctors in business. If obamacare is, indeed, the same as Medicare/Medicaid, as claimed on Rush today, then healthcare providers will never be compensated sufficiently to stay in business.


29 posted on 08/03/2009 3:30:43 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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32 posted on 08/03/2009 4:04:07 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Commie crap from the LA Slimes. Does anyone read that birdcage liner?


35 posted on 08/03/2009 4:27:58 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: a fool in paradise
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36 posted on 08/03/2009 4:41:57 PM PDT by Diamond
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