Posted on 08/08/2009 9:20:49 PM PDT by MindBender26
Edited on 08/08/2009 9:33:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Jerone Corsi, Ph. D. is about to drop another bombshell, casting further doubt on the stories of President Obama's birth.
Dr. Corsi, whose doctorate is from Harvard, is an excellent researcher and investigative journalist. He was the driving force behind the Swift Boat veterans telling the truth about War Phony John Kerry. He is also the author of "Obamanation."
In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii.
We are expected to believe that in just15 days, she gave birth, stayed in the hospital for a few days, them packed her things and left her house in Hawaii, moved to Seattle, got established there, registered for, then began classed in Seattle, all the while caring for her newborn.
The new evidence also destroys another Obama legend-lie. According to the President’s autobiography, Obama Sr. and Durhan-Soetoro were supposedly deeply in love and made a happy home together in Hawaii, complete with their baby, until Obama Sr. had to move to Boston to attend Harvard and could not afford take Stanley and baby Barack with him.
According to Dr. Corsi’s new written evidence, Durham-Soetoro was in college classes, thousands of miles away from Hawaii and did not return to the islands until long Obama Sr. left for Harvard.
Dr. Corsi also reveals that a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth requires no proof of any kind and could simply be issued on the sworn statement of one parent.
All of this simply adds to the fast growing uncertainty and suspicion over Obama’s supposed birth stories. Is August 4, 1961, his real birth date? Where was he really born? When he traveled to the Middle East in the 1990s, he did not have a US passport. What country issued him a passport, and why? Why won’t he release the one document that would answer all the questions?
It just gets deeper and deeper.
I am sorry you are wrong. The 14th Amendment was created and needed to define Citizenship by Birth vs. who needs to be naturalized. This is a wholely separate discussion than in Article II of the constitution which was intended to apply to an extreme select few individuals who might be placed in a position of supreme authority in our country. In this situation, the founding fathers went back to doctrine existing at that time, to define who would be elegible and they thought one of the most important criteria was undivided allegiance to the United States.
I could go into this in detail once again, but it will be like the 50th or 60th time. DO SOME RESEARCH before wagging your finger at folks.
Heck read the blinking article I cited where the Washington post goes into this without a single reference to the 14th Amendment because it just doesn't apply. They try to vague it up a bit, but there are great sources about this in the various threads here.
Biden is legal.
You look like a complete idiot if you wish to claim otherwise.
Obama wanted Biden, but the DNC was not OBLIGATED to accept Biden.
Likewise, the Electoral College voted, legally, for Obama and Biden.
If Obama is not qualified, then Biden becomes President.
End of story.
Grow up.
Parties are not at all illegal, under the Constitution.
Parties simply must abide by the State and Federal election laws.
So if Mr. Corsi has written proof of this, then ? that brings in to question of not only where Mr. Obama was born, but, when .... perhaps he was not born in Aug but in July or even June.....
Ask and you shall receive. 8 USC 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at birth. Be sure to see the notes section (link on the right in the box), the notes section says the eligibility for passing on US citizenship by the US Citizen parent was changed in 1986 from 10 total years of residency in the US, with 5 of those being after the person's 14th birthday, to 5 and 2 years respectively, as it currently is. .
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
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(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years
And from the notes:
1986—Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99–653 substituted “five years, at least two” for “ten years, at least five”.
Stanly Ann was only 18 on Aug. 4, 1961, and for few months after that as well. She needed to be 19, under subsection g) listed above as it existed in '61.
The law also provides, redundantly restating part of the 14th amendment, that persons born in the US and subject to it's jurisdiction are citizens at birth. But remember though that the law only deals with citizenship, not natural born citizenship, the definition of which Congress has no power to change, under their power to define a uniform rule of naturalization
Left out “get”.
Just in case I hope you didn’t do Stanley either ;>
Frankly, I do NOT think we can kick Obama out before the end of his first term.
However, CREDIBILITY is the ONLY true currency of a leader.
Obama has NOTHING if he does not have his word, if we can not trust his word.
Obama became FAMOUS due to TWO FRAUDULENT “AUTOBIOGRAPHIES” -— if we can show Obama to be a complete fraud, it MATTERS politically, even if we can not remove him, legally!
Wrong, and this is old news, it comes from 2008 and isn't worth whining or crying about. And, just understand, you are in the company of a great number of folks who just aren't bothering to do their research and go off blazing without a single thought of actually asking the important questions and finding the answers that are out there for anyone to find who cares.
Whereas, I am in the camp of folks who are too lazy to have all of these citations to jam into a post to you without spending 15 minutes for each fool who comes up with the same wrong interpretation of the same laws written up to nearly hundreds of years after Article II was put in place.
To find out what this means, you have to look to who wrote it and find what they say they meant. Then you know.
The college transcript says that she died in 1995? She was only 52 when she passed away, kinda young.
The 14th Amendment is completely irrelevant and not helpful in this debate. It simply does NOT apply.
The 14th Amendment was written to grant rights to former slaves.
It is INCLUSIVE.
It is NOT EXCLUSIVE.
NOWHERE does the Amendment state that there are not other ways to gain citizenship.
NOWHERE does the 14th Amendment say that Congress can not make laws that include other methods of gaining citizenship.
I’m sorry you dislike my style. I believe it’s called accurate, but you apparently prefer another term.
I still find your claim that someone else is his biological father odd, to say the least. Even if true, who cares? I dislike the guy intensely, and I don’t care in the least who impregnated his mother.
Has the paternity of any other president or presidential candidate ever been challenged?
I did not say parties are illegal, only that they have no role in the Constitutional process, which is quite accurate.
2) his given religion is listed as “Muslim” as many birth certificates call out for this.
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1. Muslim: I have seen a blank 1961 Hawaii birth certificate on the internet. There is no space for religion.
2. I say that there are two reasons why Obama does not want us to examine his 1961 birth certificate:
a. There is no doctor signature.
b. There is no hospital name.
3. If there is no doctor signature or hospital name, then it means that Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital in 1961.
4. Then the obvious question is this: If Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital, then where was he born?
Wrong.
Natural Born Citizen means CITIZEN AT THE MOMENT OF BIRTH, and you can find NOBODY with any legal authority, today, who will disagree with me on that point.
Natural Born Citizen means that no Congress can RETROACTIVELY grant you citizenship, after you are born.
Natural Born Citizen means that you were NOT naturalized, from another country.
This is ALL it means.
You have NOTHING to truly back up your interpretation.
Moreover, your legal position is weak and would never, ever stand up anywhere.
There are only TWO ways to get citizenship, you either gain it when you are born, (or adopted) Or you are Naturalized.
There is NO OTHER CLASS OF CITIZENSHIP other than:
1.) Natural Born.
2.) Naturalized.
End of story.
Only naturalized citizenship. It's in the Constitution, you've heard of that I'm sure. Specifically Article I, Section 8 which reads in part;
The Congress shall have Power
...
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization
Nothing in section 8 or anywhere else about Congress setting standards for citizenship. The 14th amendment to the constitution does say that
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
While Article II section 1 says in part
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
You may assume that "citizen at birth" is the same as "natural born citizen", but no Court has ruled on that subject, with regards to 14th amendment citizens at birth. Nor on exactly what "natural born citizen" might mean, well except for one case where a baby born in the US of Naturalized parents from Sweden, was declared a natural born citizen, even though when she was about 4 her mother took her to Sweden, joined later by her father, and they never returned to the US, although she did. However it was really only her citizenship was in question in the case. It was the DC Circuit that declared her natural born, while the Supreme Court upheld her citizenship, directing the Secretary of State to admit her and issue her a US Passport. Elg was her last name.
Answer:
Obama wrote two books, and got them promoted on Oprah.
What has happened to OTHER “authors” whose books were promoted by Oprah, who turned out to be frauds?
Answer:
They were publicly disgraced!
I was born of two British Subjects, here in the U.S., in 1958.
Can anyone point me to the statute or law that says I’m a “Natural-Born Citizen”?
I had “Dual-Citizenship”, at best.
If you are going to post something this explosive—make sure you have all the facts right! Your silly errors have made your finding invalid and given fuel to the Anti-Birthers. In the future—take your time and have someone check over your text before posting. What was Sydney studying at college? Did she get a grade? Was she and Obama married or not? (I think not) We need to collect more facts before we run them up the flagpole.
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