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To: Nachum

Maybe, but this guy is Israeli by-way-of Istanbul.

Rabbi Chelouche (head rabbi of Netayana) was in the paper recently saying, in the offical opinion of the Orthodox Rabbinate, Karaite are Jews and did not need to undergo even a token circumcision to be halakhically Jewish -— but were to be considered tinok shenishba (prisoner/kidnapped babies), at worst.

Pretty much got there because, even if not Jewish, the Karaite oaths taken (coupled with an existant circumcision) would be sufficient for a gentile to have converted, so certainly good enough for an arguably “half-Jew.”


22 posted on 08/09/2009 10:46:12 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
but were to be considered tinok shenishba (prisoner/kidnapped babies), at worst.

Not sure about that. I would not necessarily accept this one opinion anyway. An "apikoras" is much more serious an issue than this. It would take a bais din to figure it out.

Pretty much got there because, even if not Jewish, the Karaite oaths taken (coupled with an existant circumcision) would be sufficient for a gentile to have converted, so certainly good enough for an arguably “half-Jew.”

Also not necessarily true. Conversion is more complicated than merely having a bris and taking the oath. "Half Jew"? It's like being "half pregnant"; one is either a Jew or not.

Anyway, it is an interesting subject- and a long winded one. :)

23 posted on 08/09/2009 11:08:07 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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