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NJ Rep Adler (D) Will Vote AGAINST Health Care Bill
NJ Rep John Adler | August 9, 2009 | New Cruelty

Posted on 08/09/2009 6:06:55 PM PDT by new cruelty

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To: Incorrigible

Pallone needs to feel the heat.

It “ain’t” over folks - we have to stay on on them.


61 posted on 08/09/2009 7:40:34 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: nowheretohide
This “special needs” part of the bill needs to pointed out by Rush or Sean. I didn’t know about it until now and I’m a news junkie. Please pass this news about the “special needs” clause around!

I had not heard about that part of the bill either.

NOW I know why Sarah Palin called obama's health care bill "EVIL"

62 posted on 08/09/2009 7:40:56 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: new cruelty; RummyChick

As someone with an Autistic son, this issue concerns me gravely. However, I went to the bill and confirmed what you posted but I still don’t understand the implications!

And I’ve been through the ringer when it comes to legalize regarding Special Needs kids.


63 posted on 08/09/2009 7:44:55 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: new cruelty

Splendid. This will give Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod, DU, Daily KOS & the MSM ample time to demonize, arm twist, intimidate and threaten his political future.


64 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:23 PM PDT by eaglestar
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To: exist
Well, I just moved to the area, so I can't really say. I don't think so just based on the local talk radio station. Many were angry that he is not having a meeting and that when he replies to e-mail and letters it's with a canned response that says he will not vote for the bill as it stands now. Now what that means don't ask me.... I do know that the great Senator Jeff Sessions is holding a healthcare reform meeting in Huntsville at a hospital near to the area the rep is from. It is being touted as a poke in the eye of the rep. for not doing it himself. I wouldn't doubt it, because Mr. Sessions would play subtle hard ball as we called it when we lived in MOntgomery and he was the attorney general. He is very savvy. :) I plan to go to that meeting if I can get in.
65 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:27 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger ( Government Healthcare will have the efficiency of the postal service and the compassion of IRS)
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To: Frantzie
Riverside and Cherry Hill are about 17 miles apart, and are in New Jersey's 3rd District.

Per Wikipedia: New Jersey's Third Congressional District is currently represented by Democrat John Adler. It is a swing district, with a Partisan Voting Index of R (republican) +1.

Here's a google map of the area

66 posted on 08/09/2009 7:49:00 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: night reader

Good point, however, if I am a representative, I will read a bill in it’s entirety even if I plan to vote against it, so i can see how the other side plays. we need to be informed about what their beliefs are and see who the earmarks are going for in these monster bills to see whose buttering the bread. Some of these things are done under the radar, that’s why these reps are so shocked right now, because so many real citizens have researched the bill and know more about it than they do.


67 posted on 08/09/2009 7:50:48 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger ( Government Healthcare will have the efficiency of the postal service and the compassion of IRS)
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To: Incorrigible

And autism is very prevalent in our time, at least 1 in every 150 to 200 children, @ least that is what they say in the ads. This effects a large group of citizenry.


68 posted on 08/09/2009 7:53:48 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger ( Government Healthcare will have the efficiency of the postal service and the compassion of IRS)
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To: new cruelty

Just tonight I was telling my husband that protestors at the meetings need to read/cite verbatim sections of the bill, and be sure to reference the precise pages and lines of the quote. If that isn’t done, people may not tend to believe what is said.

Also, RNC needs to take out ads on TV and in print with the nasty parts, showing the reference pages/lines.


69 posted on 08/09/2009 7:55:51 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: EmilyGeiger
if I am a representative, I will read a bill in it’s entirety even if I plan to vote against it, so i can see how the other side plays.

That is a sound policy. I'm guessing that these congressmen have quite a few bills to vote on- so it may be physically impossible for one person to read line by line each and every bill. Still, it would help to be familiar with the more salient points of each bill.

70 posted on 08/09/2009 7:55:56 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: new cruelty

Thanks.

A bit too close to Camden for my taste. ;-) 500 miles is too close.

So he is in a serious swing district and he wants to keep his job. Maybe the people in NJ are starting to wake up.

I bet Pelosi will get maybe 10 or so an out but 20 or more will not be enough. I doubt they have the votes but we have to resist full force.

Any farms down there? South Jersey supposedly has the best tomatoes in the world.


71 posted on 08/09/2009 7:58:32 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: new cruelty; RummyChick; nevergore

OK. Perhaps I’m a bit dense tonight.

My interpretation of sec 1176 is that Special Needs individuals will not be able to sign up for medical assistance until the annual enrollment period. Not a big deal. I’ve seen others dealing with issue already. The government will make exceptions when necessary. Hoops, paperwork and begging, yes but that goes on with school districts and insurance companies too.

Section 1177 sounds more incidious than it would be in practice. Again, I’m basing that on my experience with a couple of school districts as well as the experience of many other special needs parents.

Essentially, you will need a psychologist to justify why a child/adult qualifies as Special Needs. Can they be turned down? Yes, and there will be a process for reapplication.

To tell the truth, I’m not as worried about some government contracted shrink telling me my child doesn’t qualify, I’m more concerned with these contractors being untrained and allowing children/adults to get a stake in benefits that should be limited to truly handicapped people. I can see a future where someone with Dyslexia gets the same benefit as someone that is profoundly Autistic. This will bankrupt the treasury lickity-split.

We can’t afford a future where some lawyer can argue for benefits for just about anything. The lawyer gets paid for lobbying whatever government contracted functionary and the functionary gets to expand her empire because she’s handing out free money to all comers.


72 posted on 08/09/2009 8:00:41 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Frantzie
A bit too close to Camden for my taste. ;-) 500 miles is too close.

LOL. When we moved here in 2002, my wife drove us through Camden. She had just started working at Cooper Hospital. I told my wife that had I been with her when she was interviewing there would have been no way we would have chosen to move to NJ! We then drove through Collingswood, Haddonfield, and Moorestown, which are much nicer areas.

Any farms down there? South Jersey supposedly has the best tomatoes in the world.

There are a few farms down here- Stallwag's Farm, Springdale Farm and Johnson's Corner Farm are near my home, but I haven't tried any South Jersey tomatoes worth noting.

73 posted on 08/09/2009 8:09:29 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: EmilyGeiger
And autism is very prevalent in our time, at least 1 in every 150 to 200 children, @ least that is what they say in the ads. This effects a large group of citizenry.

I belong to the organization that started that statistic. The growing incidence of Autism is indeed real and troubling, but at the rate of 1 in every 150, everyone with an Engineering degree would qualify. Hmmmmm.

There are certainly degrees of Autism and I have problems with people declaring their socially awkward but otherwise fully functional child "Autistic". My son is profoundly Autistic and it astounds me what people I meet think my son is capable of because of story they saw on the news.

So why the big scary statistics? Quite frankly, a lot of parents with Autistic kids were fed up with the amount of federal research dollars going to AIDS, a disease that can be prevented by changing behavior, compared to the amount of research directed to children who were aflicted with Autism through no fault of their own.

It's working but I hate that it's these type of tactics that have to make it happen.

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74 posted on 08/09/2009 8:09:54 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Frantzie
Pallone needs to feel the heat.

So are you bringing your torch Frantzie? :-)

I'll bring the pitchfork!

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75 posted on 08/09/2009 8:13:04 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: new cruelty

I received and email from Adlers office Friday and it did not sound like he opposed govt run healthcare. In his response he never stated he would not vote for HR3200. I live in his district and he is the first dem/lib to win since 1882. He beat a week republican candidate by a slim margin. We need to vote him out in 2010.


76 posted on 08/09/2009 8:13:57 PM PDT by Keep it Free (Response from Adler Office)
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To: Incorrigible
OK. Perhaps I’m a bit dense tonight.

Not at all. Thank you for your interpretation!

We can’t afford a future where some lawyer can argue for benefits for just about anything. The lawyer gets paid for lobbying whatever government contracted functionary and the functionary gets to expand her empire because she’s handing out free money to all comers.

I agree.

77 posted on 08/09/2009 8:15:33 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: Keep it Free
I received and email from Adlers office Friday and it did not sound like he opposed govt run healthcare. In his response he never stated he would not vote for HR3200.

Good to know. What did the email say?

78 posted on 08/09/2009 8:16:58 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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To: Keep it Free; All

http://adler.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&Itemid=81

Health Care

Reforming our health care system is an economic issue for New Jersey’s middle class families and small businesses.
John believes our country needs to focus on preventative care and managing and treating chronic illnesses. He supports providing tax credits to working families and small businesses to purchase health insurance in the private market. John does not support a single-payer health care system.

John feels the health care system is disjointed, and we need to find a way to eliminate inefficiencies in the system. The federal government must partner with hospitals, physicians and clinics to implement new technologies that will not only save lives, but save taxpayers money.

John understands that our health care system needs more than a band-aid, it needs significant changes. He believes that health care reform legislation must include lowering health care costs for employers and families, should close the gap in coverage for uninsured or underinsured households, and improve the quality of care for everyone.


80 posted on 08/09/2009 8:23:02 PM PDT by new cruelty (Shoot your TV. Torch your newspaper.)
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