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Conn. youth group evicted from KC hotel
Philly.com ^ | August 10, 2009 | DAVID TWIDDY

Posted on 08/10/2009 10:04:15 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Dozens of children with a Connecticut youth group and their parents were kicked out of a Kansas City hotel in the middle of the night this week after hotel officials said they had gotten tired of fielding noise complaints from other guests.

But members of the Nation Drill Squad and Drum Corps, based in New Haven, claim their eviction from the Sheraton Kansas City Sports Complex Hotel culminated several days of what they called prejudicial treatment because they are black.

"Everyone should be respected regardless of your skin color," said Douglas Bethea, director of the group of 32 drummers and dancers, ages 4 to 17.

Bethea's group arrived at the hotel Sunday to participate in the Elks Grand Lodge World National Championships, a competition for youth drill and dance teams, which was held at another Kansas City hotel.

He claimed the group, which included more than a dozen chaperones, received poor treatment almost from the start with some of their 10 rooms lacking toilet paper and members having to wait two days for their rooms to be cleaned by housekeeping.

Ted Frerking, the hotel's general manager, said his staff received several noise complaints over the first three days, which they relayed to the group's leaders. He said he didn't know of any toilet paper supply problems and housekeepers may not have made the beds because the guests had left personal items on them and staff are prohibited from touching guests' property.

The group won numerous trophies at the competition Tuesday and returned to the hotel in high spirits, said Titiana Person, a parent of three drill squad members who was a chaperone on the trip.

She said hotel staff warned the group's adults about noise after some of the children came back from the swimming pool and were visiting each others' rooms.

"They were being typical kids," Person said. "They (hotel officials) wanted us to go in our rooms and stay in our rooms. That's not possible."

Frerking said the group was given a final warning at 10:30 p.m. and told that subsequent complaints would result in the group being asked to leave.

By 1:15 a.m., Bethea and Person said the children had settled down while some of the adults sat in one room, talking and laughing. They said a hotel official came to the room and said they were being evicted.

"He comes to the door and says, 'You people have to leave this hotel now ... or we will call the cops and they will come move you by force,'" Bethea said. "When they came to kick us out everyone was asleep."

He claimed eight officers came upstairs immediately and, armed with stun guns and Mace, helped hotel security pull group members from their beds.

"I was scared to hear cops with Tasers and things like that," said drummer Ronald Huggins, 17. "The kids were scared, we were scared. We didn't know what to expect."

Kansas City police spokesman Darin Snapp disputed parts of the account, saying there were only five officers at the hotel and they were present only to "keep the peace."

"At no time did we ever enter rooms or pull out Tasers or Mace; we didn't have to," Snapp said.

Frerking said his hotel's security doesn't carry stun guns or Mace. He denied the eviction was based on race.

"The only issue was noise," he said. "If other guests hadn't complained we would never know."

The group left Kansas City on Wednesday, and the hotel reimbursed the group for the two nights it didn't stay at the hotel. But Bethea said he is considering his legal options.

"What about the pain and suffering and the crying and the kids being woken up and scared half to death?" he said.


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KEYWORDS: connecticut; ct; eviction; kansascity; racecard; racism; rashism
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Wowsy!

I had no idea there was so much racism still afoot in the United States!

I just thought people went around acting in a reasonable, respectful, considerate manner, interacting with eachother in a spirit of candor and goodwill, kind of like my family and I do (and come to think of it, every other person I associate with).

Nothing like this ever happens to us.

We must just be really lucky I guess.

1 posted on 08/10/2009 10:04:16 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Everyone should be respected regardless of your skin color,"

If they're respectable.
2 posted on 08/10/2009 10:05:55 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Owl_Eagle

Wonder how many of them ski?


3 posted on 08/10/2009 10:06:33 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"They (hotel officials) wanted us to go in our rooms and stay in our rooms. That's not possible."

Seriously?

4 posted on 08/10/2009 10:07:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I could tell from the story headline alone that this story was going to be about cops “acting stupidly.”


5 posted on 08/10/2009 10:07:12 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Invite them to the White House for a beer.


6 posted on 08/10/2009 10:08:35 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I've had the unfortunate experience of staying in a hotel when one of these kid gangs was in residence.

The adults are as bad as the kids are, and the entire group acts as if they are entitled to use the entire facility for their own entertainment, without regard to the rights of the other guests.

If they want to run wild, they should reserve a campsite.

7 posted on 08/10/2009 10:08:52 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Owl_Eagle

My guess is there was discrimination. Hotel probably let it go further than if white kids were involved.


8 posted on 08/10/2009 10:09:18 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: Owl_Eagle
staff received several noise complaints over the first three days

Frerking said the group was given a final warning at 10:30 p.m. and told that subsequent complaints would result in the group being asked to leave.

By 1:15 a.m., Bethea and Person said the children had settled down while some of the adults sat in one room, talking and laughing. They said a hotel official came to the room and said they were being evicted.

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Racism... right.
9 posted on 08/10/2009 10:11:14 AM PDT by kenth (Poor 0bama... half The Man is keeping him down.)
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To: Brugmansian

I’ll bet you nailed it.

I’ve stayed in hotels many times when large groups of kids have been there (cheer squads, athletic teams, etc.). Some have been respectful, some have been loud and annoying, and race hasn’t had a thing to deal with it.

I’ll bet this coach and his chaperones didn’t have control of the kids and they ran wild, or maybe they just didn’t care.

}:-)4


10 posted on 08/10/2009 10:12:41 AM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: HIDEK6

Had the same experience last week in Nashville with a white, Christian “youth group”.

The hours of door slamming led me to change rooms to another floor
and I still had to call the front desk twice during the night to complain
about them running wild down the halls and talking at the top of their
lungs.

Why hotels allow this and create such an unpleasant experience for
their adult guests is beyond me!


11 posted on 08/10/2009 10:12:54 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: Owl_Eagle

I live in New Haven. Do I believe that these kids may have caused multiple disturbances at this hotel? Yep. Do I blame the kids? Not really. Inner city kids don’t typically travel a lot, so it’s up to the adults to teach them proper ‘travel do’s and dont’s’. Anyway, expect them to get invited to the White House for a beer. /s


12 posted on 08/10/2009 10:14:05 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: Owl_Eagle

Kids with drums and bugles have a hard time keeping the peace when all they know to do is cause loud noises. People need to be considerate of others in public places like hotels. If they don’t have consideration of others, they should be tossed as these kids and their parents were.

See, not once did I mention race.


13 posted on 08/10/2009 10:15:34 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"They were being typical kids," Person said. "They (hotel officials) wanted us to go in our rooms and stay in our rooms. That's not possible."

"Not possible." You mean it's not possible to get your spawn to act in a respectful manner in a public place? Not run up and down hallways late at night and make excessive noise, but walk from room to room? Keep their voices down to a reasonable indoor level when they're in rooms? I sure hope you're a better parent than you're a chaperone, Ms. Person.

}:-)4

14 posted on 08/10/2009 10:15:34 AM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: HIDEK6
Statement: "The adults are as bad as the kids are, and the entire group acts as if they are entitled to use the entire facility for their own entertainment, without regard to the rights of the other guests."

Response: In today's environment these people are The Bright One's. The Happy One's. They who make the laws, the customs and the rules. The hotel in the main report was right; but they are going to pay.

15 posted on 08/10/2009 10:16:46 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: HIDEK6

I’ve had the experience of staying at a hotel during summer vacation and it was just two couples with six kids between them.

The hotel was filled and they could not move the hubby and I to another room but the kids screamed and shouted all night. Took over the swimming pool all day. Played elevator tag and didn’t understand what the term “line” was at the free breakfast buffet.

Talk about trying to get away from it all.

I don’t care if the kids were purple....there seems to be a lack of parental discipline and respect with these youngsters.


16 posted on 08/10/2009 10:17:29 AM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: joejm65
Inner city kids don’t typically travel a lot, so it’s up to the adults to teach them proper ‘travel do’s and dont’s’.

Ahhhhhhhh, but who will teach the adults?

17 posted on 08/10/2009 10:17:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

My family stayed in Cocoa Beech one year while there was an inner city youth basketball competition being hosted nearby.

Every guest who wasn’t a part of these gangs (calling it like it is) were disgusted and looking for another hotel by the second night. No chaperons, kids using language that even I was shocked by, even little kids being hurt in the pool by the kids not caring it they hurt them or not.

I’ve seen animals acting more civilized in packs than they were, and when we told the hotel why we were leaving they refunded us our money and they said we could rebook without fear, they would never allow a group like this in their place again.


18 posted on 08/10/2009 10:23:41 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“”They were being typical kids,” Person said. “They (hotel officials) wanted us to go in our rooms and stay in our rooms.”

This says it all. I’ve been in hotels and on cruises where the parents treat the building or the ship as their personal babysitter, letting the kids run wild and screaming with no supervision of any kind...while the parents get drunk at the bar or gamble in the casino.


19 posted on 08/10/2009 10:24:23 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: LearsFool

Good point! When people misbehave and refuse to modify their behavior out of respect for the other hotel guests, they need to realize that there are repercussions.

One noise warning should have been enough. If one of my kids was part of a crew like that I’d be on the side of the hotel. It would be a good learning lesson about not misbehaving while being a guest at someone else’s establishment.


20 posted on 08/10/2009 10:24:54 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Palin 2012. There is no better choice on either side of the aisle. ))))
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To: Owl_Eagle

“Everyone should be respected regardless of your skin color.”

The stupid leader of this mob saw no irony at all in this statement. What about “respect” for the people who had paid for a room in order to get a night’s sleep?


21 posted on 08/10/2009 10:25:18 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: ClearCase_guy

‘Ahhhhhhhh, but who will teach the adults?’

Ahhhhhhhh, you just asked the $64,000 question!!!! :-)


22 posted on 08/10/2009 10:25:48 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: Owl_Eagle
Last summer my daughter's travel softball team was staying in a hotel in Birmingham for a week for the NSA World Series. At the same time there was a school football team in the hotel. Our girls had to be up most mornings by 6 to be at the fields by 7:00, but the boys must have had later schedules.

Since there were about 15 cute girls in the hotel, the boys thought it was clever, funny, whatever, to knock on the doors at night, slide notes under the door and just generally cause ruckus. I was able to pick out one of the coaches and explained the situation that our girls needed to be up early and needed sleep and his boys needed to calm down.

About 10 minutes later, the coach came back and asked if I could get all the parents and girls together and the boys all apologized and promised that there would be no more noise after midnight — and they stuck to that.

After that, the boys were nothing but polite and well-spoken.

As far as race, everyone of the boys were black, and all of our girls were white. There's no excuse for not being polite and these young men showed that they knew how to behave but just needed a reminder from their coach. I was very impressed and the girls ended up having time on the last day and we all went to watch them play. We were their only fans as they didn't have parents there. It turned out to be a sweet day. But if I had just sat and stewed over their behavior and blamed it on their race and not given them a chance to show their manners it would have been very different.

23 posted on 08/10/2009 10:26:11 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Owl_Eagle

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_wtnh_drill_team_claims_racial_discrimination_200908072157]


24 posted on 08/10/2009 10:26:22 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That’s odd. My kids have gone on school sponsored trips and they followed the rules. No noise complaints.


25 posted on 08/10/2009 10:28:41 AM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Respect is EARNED, Remember that.


26 posted on 08/10/2009 10:29:21 AM PDT by crazyotto
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To: Owl_Eagle
She said hotel staff warned the group's adults about noise after some of the children came back from the swimming pool and were visiting each others' rooms.

"They were being typical kids," Person said. "They (hotel officials) wanted us to go in our rooms and stay in our rooms. That's not possible."

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No sympathy here. This was a hotel, not a dorm.

27 posted on 08/10/2009 10:29:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: not2worry

Stayed in a Comfort Inn in LA last year almost the same....some type of group...”white” and “hispanic”...8? to 14 yo. We were on the 4th floor they were below us. 2:30 am and the TV sets were so loud we thumped on the floor only to be thumped back. Called the manager ( a kid himself) and told him the story. 3:15 am and the TV was turned off, but the parking lot was a riot. At the free breakfast in the morning....6 of em came down and stuffed back packs with fruit and juice, made a mess on the waffle maker that had to be shut down, threw cereal all over the place. Luckily, I’ve been a member for 10 years and easily got my money back plus extra points.


28 posted on 08/10/2009 10:29:41 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Hows My Posting? Please Contact flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: Puppage

From your link.......

Bethea admits his team has been loud in the past, going so far as to say that that the team should have been kicked out of other hotels. But he says this trip didn’t even come close to that kind of problem.

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So. The race-baiter admits his kids have been problems in the past. Yet he would like us to belive they were angels in this instance?

Bulls-—


29 posted on 08/10/2009 10:31:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Owl_Eagle

They wuz just bein black, iz all.


30 posted on 08/10/2009 10:32:38 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: joejm65
Should be easy since they only have to teach the mothers, few have live-in fathers around; kinda like the son of Obama.
31 posted on 08/10/2009 10:33:04 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: SoftballMominVA

That’s the kind of story we should hear more often. Kudos to the coach and the kids for adjusting to the situation and respecting the girls’ need for sleep. And kudos to your group for reciprocating when the guys played their game.

And notice... it didn’t take any kind of government intervention, just communication and civility on both sides.


32 posted on 08/10/2009 10:34:07 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Palin 2012. There is no better choice on either side of the aisle. ))))
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To: Owl_Eagle
Titiana Person

Oh, man, the possibilities are endless. How could two parents be so clueless as to saddle a girl with that name???

33 posted on 08/10/2009 10:34:27 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("I don't want to be hearing from those people. Ein volk!")
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To: Owl_Eagle

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes..have a nice trip home.


34 posted on 08/10/2009 10:36:12 AM PDT by Shaka
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To: Responsibility2nd
So. The race-baiter admits his kids have been problems in the past. Yet he would like us to belive they were angels in this instance?

Exactly

35 posted on 08/10/2009 10:37:34 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: HIDEK6
I've had the unfortunate experience of staying in a hotel when one of these kid gangs was in residence.

Here too... and you're right about the "adults" in charge. At least I was able to leave with a refund. There is no sense of proper etiquette anymore.

36 posted on 08/10/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Brugmansian

Somebody left the screen door open and a troll came in.


37 posted on 08/10/2009 10:49:02 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: LearsFool

Yep. Respect is earned.

And it can be lost.

It’s not a right.


38 posted on 08/10/2009 10:51:30 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: VRWCmember

Drumline dad ping.


39 posted on 08/10/2009 10:56:05 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Lesforlife

“Why hotels allow this and create such an unpleasant experience for their adult guests is beyond me!”

Could it be...
...$$$?


40 posted on 08/10/2009 10:56:11 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Everyone should be respected regardless of your skin color," said Douglas Bethea.

We all totally agree with you. But I fear it was the content of your character of you and your minions that was the problem.

41 posted on 08/10/2009 11:00:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: southernerwithanattitude
Somebody left the screen door open and a troll came in.

Did you read his post??? I think he is saying that the hotel management probably let it slide more than they normally would have if it had been a non-minority group. Newbie doesn't necessarily mean troll.

42 posted on 08/10/2009 11:00:56 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: ClearCase_guy

Courtesy and consideration for others is not a racial issue.

It’s a cultural one.


43 posted on 08/10/2009 11:02:23 AM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: Brugmansian

Not if they ever want to have guests again. Not getting sleep when I am traveling is close to a killing offense. I would have called the cops about twelve times without looking out my room to see what color the cause of the noise was.


44 posted on 08/10/2009 11:03:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

10-1 odds that the parents were worse than the kids.


45 posted on 08/10/2009 11:03:46 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: VRWCmember
Oops, your right. My apologies.
46 posted on 08/10/2009 11:04:39 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: Lesforlife

Why hotels allow this and create such an unpleasant experience for
their adult guests is beyond me!”

WHY do the CHAPERONES allow this?

The fault lies with the chaperones not being able to control the kids. The kids take advantage of the sheer numbers of kids vs the number of chaperones, and they have often been ‘raised’ to think that they are all-important and all-powerful on their own. No consequences at home for bad behavior.

I have stayed at hotels for a number of different events & trade shows thru my 69 years, and adults know better.

Even more recently, I have been in horse camps where there are over 250 horses and the riders , crews & volunteers & ride management. Ride management will announce that generators cannot run after 10 pm, and if some group wants to stay up and talk around the campfire on the night before the main event, other campers will douse their noisy behavior. We just don’t tolerate it. Riders and crews need their sleep, and the horses need to rest, also.

Kids are away from home, and if there was video of their behavior, I can bet that any subsequent lawsuit would be thrown out of court.


47 posted on 08/10/2009 11:06:15 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: southernerwithanattitude

based on the posting history, I don’t think this one is a troll.


48 posted on 08/10/2009 11:11:27 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Two Kids' Dad

civility on both sides.”

NOt often possible when blacks and others have been raised all their life to believe that whitey only wants to ‘put them down’ and not let them achieve anything.

All this group acheived was to upset other paying customers.

Next time, I suggest they find a smaller hotel and book the whole thing so that there will be no other customers to bother. With their past behavior record, they might have to pay a damage deposit in advance. If this hotel was part of a chain, I hope the other units in the chain were notified of the actions of this group.
They obviously won’t self-restrict their behavior, so others must do it for them—ragardless of their color or age.


49 posted on 08/10/2009 11:14:29 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: VRWCmember

I was to quick with the trigger finger. This thread was ripe for a DUmmy to post something on.


50 posted on 08/10/2009 11:14:41 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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