Posted on 08/10/2009 11:40:34 AM PDT by yoe
Black Kettle’s camp was the entry point for the returning warriors and they may have stopped there before moving on downriver but 150 warriors would have put up a much stiffer resistence. 150 is way too many for the overall size of Black Kettle’s camp. Even Custer didn’t claim that many killed and he was prone to exaggeration.
In fact, Custer said after visiting the site again in December 1868 that the number of 103 warriors killed wasn’t enough, according to the number of bodies he had seen.
A private said that 80 warriors had been killed.
11 warchiefs were killed + Black kettle and Little Rock = 13 warchiefs and chiefs killed (a lotta guys).
On the resistance, the Indians in the ravine offered a lot of resistance, forcing the cavaliers to form skirmish line and to ask for reinforcement (WW. Cooke’s elite squad). Cooke saw 30 warriors in a single ravine.
I understand totally, but.....both sides were guilty of massacres. If we never get past that, we will live with it forever. I guess the question is “When do we get past it?”
As for the government paying the different Tribes.....who is getting all the money that is going to the Tribes and why?
***I have an extensive very large library on Indian books. Many out of print as I’ve been collecting since I was a kid and I’m seventy now. ***
I wish I had a better library. I did most of my research at the Tulsa, Ok public library and museums.
If you ever get to Tulsa go out to the Gilcrease museum and Philbrook museum to see their extensive collections of art and books.
Looking back at things happening over 100 years ago one gets a sense of being an armchair general to history. We didn’t live it so don’t get the total effect of things that happened then.
There are times I support the Indians and other times the whites, but what gets me riled is when a myth is continually repeated even though proven false many years before.
I don’t know much about the California Indian missions. I do know about the New Mexico missions and they were mostly peaceful years except during the Pueblo revolt, instigated by Po’Pe who later is rumored to have been murdered by his own people who enjoyed what the Spanish had done for them.
During the revolt quite a few of the tribes left with the Spanish abandoning their pueblos. that is why there are several towns around El Paso with Pueblo Indian names and settled by the Indians.
***No, The Indians were scalping before white europeans came to north america, European settlers did not know of the practice when they arrived in the New World.****
I will have to agree with this. The first Spanish explorers reported Indians scalping Indians in Georgia and Captain John Smith reported Indians scalping in Virginia. “They cased of the hair with knives made of shell and reeds and hung them on a rope between two poles.”
Theodore de Bry did some beautiful engravings showing this taking place. Many years ago National Geographic did a complete article showing the engravings.
http://www.dickshovel.com/scalp.html
I have an old book, INDIANS AS THE WESTERNERS SAW THEM edited by Ralph W Andrews. Chapter five, written by Everett Ellis, is an attempt to “proove” that the Indians did not scalp before the white man “taught “ them to do it.
It falls flat in the face of modern archeological evidience.
***Yep the natives scalped their enemies but we scalped them for money ***
So? that is proof of a death. The Egyptians cut the penises off their slain enemies and displayed them before the Pharoahs and the Israelites cut the foreskins off their dead enemies for the same reason.
The Carthaginians just took the rings from the slain Equestrian Romans.
But absolute proof is the romoval and display of the head.
When the Mexican governors began to pay for Indian scalps guess who did the scalping? Bands of Shawnees from Oklahoma Territory hired out as scalphunters.
Please......I'd love to have that!! ROFLOL...
Although I do have Tribal License plates....So, I save some $$ there....And my girls get some college $$ too...Not anywhere near $3.8k a month..!! Not even close...
You don't know what you are talking about........
Megwetch Brozoh!
LOL!!
No one that I know here...is collecting $3.5k a month from the feds.
That information actually came from owners of an Indian Casino....American Indians. Ask the government.....Do you send money to Indian Tribes, how much and to who?”
***They saw themselves as the Innocent ones who the white man sold them blankets infested with sickness which they had no immune to. ****
It was believed at that time that sicknesses came from bad air. Microbiology research had not begun yet.
A typical misunderstanding happened during the Viking explorations. the Viking and “Skraelings” had a pow wow and got along fine. The Vikings gave the Indians milk in friendship. Later the Indians begame sick and believed they had been poisoned so they attacked and the Vikings.
The Indians could not digest milk. War broke out as a result. Who was at fault?
Wow....!!!
I am an descendant of Chesaugan, a headman of the St. Joseph Band of the Potawatomi tribe whose signature can be found on five Potawatomi treaties, including the 1795 Treaty of Greenville.
I have deceased family by the names of KaushKauMoNgine, Ahkenepoweh, Mahteenose Oskinanonotame, Shanote, Neghase, Motnoe....
I certainly don't receive free education, free housing, nor royalties...and gawd knows...I pay taxes every flipping 1/4!!
You are wrong..........
Individual Indians....are NOT reaping State / Federal $3.5k in monthly monies.......
It is a real shame Custer was killed, a lot more savages needed to be killed for their heinous deeds.
So what you are saying is that nobody is receiving any money from the Feds?
By the way.....did you read my statement that this information came from Casino owners that are American Indians or did you just not want to address that fact?
My tribe has casino's.....And while I don't approve of them...I understand them.
So point me to where I can find all these Indians receiving $3.5k a month...from the Feds. As that is what you said....
Like I said...I live on a Rez...I am of Indian blood myself...And I know plenty of Indians...and NONE of them are raking in...$3.5k a month from the Feds...that I am aware of.
I was addressing what you said.....about the $3.5k a month.
Care to clarify?
So....I await your reply.
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