Posted on 08/11/2009 7:42:52 PM PDT by narses
When God leaves, something will fill the vacuum. And it ain't anything good.
The principal and the AD will prevail. Liberty Counsel simply does not lose these kind of cases; and they handle a lot of them. They recently won the case regarding marriage in the California state and federal courts.
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There can not be a neutral position of both recognizing God and ignoring God.
It is impossible for the principal to both have and not have a prayer before the meal. Both actions are religious and based upon religious worldview ( one godless and the other God-centered). Both actions have religiously non-neutral consequences that influence our culture and politics.
When are people going to learn? It is impossible to live in a religiously neutral state. All sentient beings are religious because questions about God can not be proven definitively.
ALL government schools teach religion. That religion is either godless or God-centered, and it can never be neutral. At the moment our government schools are teaching godlessness.
Wa’na bet the courts will bend themselves into pretzels in an attempt to avoid the fact that government schools can not be religiously neutral and therefore must be abolished?
Fundamentally, it is impossible for any school to be religiously neutral.
All of these rulings are examples of our courts doing contortions in every effort to avoid the fundamental problem. Government schools can NOT be religiously neutral. No school can be religiously neutral.
If courts did address the fundamental problem, the only rational decision would be to abolish government K-12 schooling.
Government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.
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This is why government schools and the First Amendment are utterly incompatible. So?...Since they are incompatible which should be abolished? Government schools or the First Amendment? ( I vote for abolishing government schools.)
Children are in government schools by compulsion. The law requires it. Once in the school, the school district can allow free speech and free expression of religion, but this subjects the students to unwanted proselytizing. The only other choice the school district has it to forbid free expression of religion and then the “free exercise” clause is violate.
Do you see? Government schools can NOT be reconciled with the First Amendment.
Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. Get rid of the government schools.
Going to jail for praying in a public school? Sounds like something that would happen in China? Is hard labor going to be part of the sentence?
I still can’t get over all the people...errrr closet liberals right here on FR that insist Christians are “allowed” to pray in public schools and this kind of thing just doesn’t happen.
And anyone that dares mention this is just another Christian seeking attention and victimhood and/or blowing things out of proportion.
I still can’t get over all the people...errrr closet liberals right here on FR that insist Christians are “allowed” to pray in public schools and this kind of thing just doesn’t happen.
And anyone that dares mention this is just another Christian seeking attention and victimhood and/or blowing things out of proportion.
Well, you're not alone, I think quite a few people are. It's good to see ThomasMore.org and the ACLJ.org and more and more others are standing up to the ACLU, NEA and various other liberals.
AMEN! And the only people who can't figure this out are the godless liberals hellbent to destroy this country.
But liberals never ever own up to their own failures, they just project-alot.
it's funny how liberals always ignore the "free exercise thereof" portion of the establlishment clause.
IF it was an official public school function, and children were present.
Since when in this country were children allowed to be exposed to porn, foul language, etc. but not Jesus Christ?
How would you like teachers leading Friday prayers to Allah?
It's also funny how liberals conveniently ignore this is EXACTLY what already DOES happen...just look upthread! Prayer rooms to accomodate muslims, etc.
Private schools can do whatever they please.
Well, at this rate, they're the next target, and frankly, I'm sure they already are bigger targets than some people realize...like the liberal godless professors at public colleges suing children because they "didn't learn science right"...by right, I mean the godless liberal version.
And frankly, what liberals are saying here is is that only godless liberals have a say in how public money is spent when it comes to religion...their version of secular humanism is the only religion that's legitimate...while they're more tolerant of Islam and so forth...but Christianity, the very religion that this nation is built upon???... well, that is something to be hidden from children.
Well it's no secret that the godless liberals here would love nothing more than to see this great land become the next China or Cuba.
And furthermore, I see the next big issue like the current health care fiasco over the horizon being religious liberties, specifically Christian religious liberties in this country.
My hope is the SCOTUS will FINALLY address the insane Michael Newdow types and make them understand instead of making this another Cuba, they need to get over themselves and simply MOVE to Cuba if they don't like it here, afterall our history will never ever change.
And above all because we Christians have religious freedom doesn't mean they get to be offended by it at each and every turn or public display!
This madness simply has to stop! Liberals need to get a grip and understand enough is enough...they've hijacked the judicial system to cram down their godless versions of everything from education to science and normal folks are fed up!
Did you want me to do something about that?
IMHO, these people never should have agreed to the settlment in the first place.
Public schools in this nation opened every day with Bible reading and prayer for CENTURIES until the ACLU and the liberal atheist element pushed it out with their misinterpretation of the First Amendment through a corrupt judiciary.
The Founding Fathers were well aware of what was going on in schools at the time they founded this country and they didn’t object to teacher led prayer in school then. If that is what they indeed meant, that prayer and Bible reading weren’t to be allowed in public schools, they would have made it clear then. They didn’t.
It is not illegal for prayer to be conducted in schools, even if it’s teacher led.
The idea that children should not be exposed to prayer in a public school function is ludicrous, it’s a bunch of nonsense and a liberal position. No one who supports that can rightly call themselves conservative.
The shape of things to come.
Your #57. AMEN!
Yes, and here is the model:
Separation of Church and State, Church and School, E. Yaroslavsky (Central Committee of the Communist Party, President of the League of Militant Atheists)
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