Posted on 08/11/2009 7:42:52 PM PDT by narses
and yet dozens of closet liberals do exactly that here on FR today...all because their liberal sensitivities and multiple God hang-ups are ever so offended!
LOL!!!!
You just did, thanks.
To advocate a state-funded institution, in which millions of American children go to school, allow those in authority to openly exercise ANY religion is contrary to ANYTHING the founders would ever accept.
You move into the realm of statism when you cross that line. Hell, public schools ARE statism...but it would be much worse to mentor these children in any religious belief.
Once the state allows that, your children will be mentored in the ways of the dominant culture. And, that culture may not always be yours.
It's not to be hidden, but it should stay out of the classroom.
Do your kids go to public school?
If so, you know you want religion out of the classroom. You don't want them taught equivalency of beliefs, or the superiority of one.
You also know you have the option of bringing them home and teaching them there.
Once the state has that power, they can pick the one that's acceptable.
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
YOU don’t even know what a conservative is when you advocate for a state funded institution that children are mandated to attend under force of law paid for with coerced taxes, religion notwithstanding.
Since when is it a conservative position that the public schools exercise ANY authority over millions of AMERICAN children, period?
Think it through. The problem begins with the government thinking that it has any Constitutionally delegated right to demand that.
Government schools must be abolished!
Why?
Answer:
1) It is impossible to have a religiously neutral school.
ALL schools must choose between a godless or God-centered worldview. When government schools establish a godless and atheistic point of veiw it is teaching children how to live without God. It teaches them to compartmentalize their faith. And...It teaches them that their faith is somehow shameful as if it were a bathroom activity. The content and consequences of teaching children from a godless perspective is **not** religiously neutral in content or consequences.
Yet...If government were to promote a God-centered worldview, this is not religiously neutral either. Obviously, there is the problem of choosing which God-centered worldview to establish.
2) Then there are the internal problems with the First Amendment. It is **IMPOSSIBLE** to both allow free exercise of religion and prevent students from proselytizing their fellow captive inmates ( oops! “studnets”). The government **will** crush the First Amendment Rights of either those who wish to fully exercise their religious belief, or those who do not wish to be subjected to a religion ( godless or God-centered) that is abhorrent to them. Free speech, free exercise of religion, and free assembly rights can not be equally accommodated in any government school.
3)Behind every government principal and teacher is the force of government law! Children are forced to attend religiously non-neutral ( atheistic) government schools,...and...The taxpayer is forced to pay for the establishment of atheism. Armed police stand ready to force this both upon the child and the taxpayer. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip.)
4)Then their are the other First Amendment Rights. Government schools teach children to shut up in the face of government authority. Children are forbidden to freely publish. It is the government that strictly tells them with whom they will assemble. They are forbidden to freely exercise their religion. Government schools teach children how to be good little prisoners of the state. Only prisoners have fewer First Amendment Rights. And....Parents have no First Amendment Rights either with regard to their children's imprisonment in the government schools. ( Ask David Parker.)
Conclusion: Government schools are an offense against GOD! They are in utter conflict with our God-given First Amendment Rights. They must be abolished! The sooner the better.
Any schools in existence prior to that were run by the churches, factories ( such as the Du Pont’s Hagley Mills), loosely organized groups of families, and ( of course) homeschooling and home tutoring.
Native born citizens were alarmed and frightened by the large influx of Catholic immigrants. Government schools were a response to this.
Ah...But...Any government school powerful enough to force a Protestant worldview on Catholics ( and my Jewish friends when then were children) is powerful enough to force atheism on this generation of children.
By the way, my post graduate professional school was nearly entirely Jewish. My classmate deeply resented the Christianity that was forced upon them as children and young adults in their government schools. There are political consequences for doing this to my Jewish friends. I am willing to bet that they vote Democratic at every election.
The solution is to abolish government schools.
Which is really ironic and hypocritical.
Who do they think are the biggest advocates of public education or government controlled anything?
Why should the majority Christians be forced into home or private schooling while paying for secular humanist failures TOO?
No thanks.
That said, your children are not captive to the state institutions. You can pull them out whenever you please.
Yes, it is ironic.
However,...In a professional school of 600 students ( 1st through 4th year of graduate school), only a handful were observant Jews. The rest were merely culturally Jewish. I doubt that these culturally Jewish students mind at all that now the government schools are essentially secular atheist. I don’t have contact with my fellow alumni so I can’t know what they are doing now.
Yes, some parents can afford the ransom (in the form of extra expenses of private school and homeschooling) to extract their children from the government indoctrination camps. Some have called it Jizya.
Also..A parent can only remove their child from the government schools if an alternative exists. Otherwise they **must** hand their child over the atheistic government indoctrination camps. And...Armed police stand ready to force them.
Often an alternative does not exist because government schools are a price-fixed monopoly creating a business environment that is extremely hostile to the formation of private schools.
For instance, in my county their are **NO** private schools at all! None! If government is giving a service away at no cost to the parent, this is a very hostile business environment for any private business that must charge to meet their expenses. It would be like the government giving food away for free and expecting private grocery stores to be able to compete. But...Down on the “Animal Farm” government schools live in the farmer's house and can run price-fixed monopolies, while private businessmen are thrown in prison for similar collusion to fix a price that undercuts the market and drives out competition.
Also...In my state more than half of all taxes paid to the government ( state and local) fund the schools. It is probably far more than half since retired teachers and all their pension and health insurance expenses are not counted as school expenses. Parents who are burdened with heavy school taxes, state income, and property taxes often find that both parents must work. This is especially true if they are attempting to move to more expensive neighborhoods in an effort to find a government schools in which their child will be reasonably safe.
Government schools are abomination and we should start now to abolish them.
Why should the majority Christians be forced into home or private schooling while paying for secular humanist failures TOO?
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Because down on the “Animal Farm”, the atheistic secular Marxists live in the farmer’s house. Christian’s get the barn.
OINK!
Go back and read American history instead of continually displaying your ignorance on prayer in school in this country.
This is (was) a Christian nation. It’s a historical fact.
No need to teach the equivelancy of beliefs.
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to prefer and select Christians for their rulers.”
Chief Justice John Jay.
Many, many more where that came from.
How do you suppose a certain wise latina would vote on this case?
Come on...she’s wise! We know because she told us so.
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