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To: Windflier

I’m not sure we can do it without secession. I’m a Texan and I support seccesion 100% The corrupt fed government will keep calling our bluff if we don’t. Texas can reunite someday if it becomes feasible. The feds won’t attack Texas with force, either. The political fallout from that would cause other states to secede and they know it. The selfish and corrupt government we have now will never change without drastic measures, I fear. Because there are no consequences for wrongdoing.


20 posted on 08/12/2009 10:52:07 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: Quickgun
Secession ain't happening. Declaring sovereignty is legal, and is covered under the 9th and 10th amendments to the constitution.
21 posted on 08/12/2009 11:06:37 AM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: Quickgun

Half of the population in Texas is infected with Liberalism. Secession seems pointless unless we can kick them out.


22 posted on 08/12/2009 11:07:52 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (BLOAT - Buy Lots Of Ammo Today!)
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To: Quickgun

How about actions that deny the feds power without calling it secession?

It would be “de facto” secession to declare that the feds “got no juice here”.
Refusal to enforce, or allow to be enforced, any federal law/regulation outside of Art I, Section 8.
Withholding of federal taxes in escrow pending compliance with this sovereignty.
Arrest of any federal agent that attempts to enforce an unconstitutional law/reg. (This would be IT.)

Another fact that people need to understand is that the left will NEVER allow a group of people to escape their control, and will DEMAND that the feds “make an example” of that state/govt that attempts to do so.


25 posted on 08/12/2009 11:14:05 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Quickgun
I’m not sure we can do it without secession.

Sure we can.

The state of Texas could inform the federal government that they have overstepped their authority under the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, and that because of that abrogation of states rights, that the state of Texas will immediately cease all payments to the US Treasury.

As part of this 10th Amendment declaration of intent to the federal government, the state of Texas could also declare that the state refuses to recognize any federal law, regulation, statute, agency, treaty, mandate, tax, or governmental body which falls outside of what is legally allowable under the US Constitution.

The federal government has broken faith with the states, and with The People. Of that, there is no doubt. Compelling our government to return to the letter of the US Constitution will require more than simply passing toothless 10th Amendment resolutions in the various state legislatures. It's the proper method of response under our constitution, but these resolutions have to be backed by more than mere words.

For just one state to stand up to the federal government in this way is going to take guts of steel, and a firmness of resolve that we've rarely seen in the last century, but it can be done. The courage to do this does exist among us.

Personally, I don't believe that the same level of courage exists in Washington. Our nation's capitol is now inhabited by, and run by lesser beings, who are cowardly and low. Look at the panic that's being caused by ordinary citizens showing up at Town Hall meetings.

No, those running the federal government won't have the guts to stand up against such strident demands from one or more states. They will cave, without us having to resort to formal secession from our own union.

35 posted on 08/12/2009 3:11:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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