Posted on 08/14/2009 7:30:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Three planes landed during "inconvenient" incident
As investigators revealed that a Teterboro air traffic controller making a personal phone call initially failed to warn a small plane of aircraft in its way, NBC New York has learned the same tower involved in the fatal collision over the Hudson had another piece of bad luck recently.
The FAA confirms the only controller on duty on the overnight shift at Teterboro airport back on July 5th was inadvertently locked out of the cab, or work area, for 43 minutes.
"There was an inconvenience, but he took appropriate steps," said FAA spokesman Jim Peters.
He explained that the aging tower is undergoing "fire/safety upgrades" involving locking mechanisms for the doors.
Air Traffic Controller's Actions Questioned in Midair Collision The lone controller on duty "heard a noise and was concerned someone was trapped in the elevator" one floor below.
"He left the cab, went downstairs one flight, and found everything OK," said Peters.
"The FAA spokesman says the controller believed he had left the door to his work area unlocked, but unbeknownst to him, someone had tripped the locking mechanism earlier.
Immediately, the controller used his personal cellphone to call TRACON, the regional air traffic control center in Westbury, Long Island. "The controller explained what was going on. The controller at Tracon assumed responsibility for airspace" at Teterboro, said Peters. He added there were three planes in the air at the time, and all landed without incident at Teterboro. An airport employee then got the controller back inside. "There was an inconvenience, but [the controller] took the appropriate steps," said Peters, and the "case is closed." Meanwhile, the FAA has suspended two of Teterboro tower's air traffic controllers for being distracted during the tragic mid-air collision last Saturday that killed nine people. The controller on duty was reportedly talking to his girlfriend on the phone, and his supervisor was out of the cab. The controller making a personal phone call initially failed to warn a small plane of other aircraft in its path and then tried unsuccessfully to contact the pilot, federal safety officials said Friday.
The National Transportation Safety Board said in a report that the controller — who has not been identified — cleared the single-engine Piper for takeoff at 11:48 a.m. EDT, and then made a personal call. He remained on the phone, including while further instructing the plane's pilot, until the accident occurred. After takeoff, the plane flew southbound until the controller directed it to turn left toward the river, the report said. At 11:52 a.m. the controller instructed the plane to contact air traffic control at nearby Newark Liberty International Airport, which monitors low-flying traffic over the river, but doesn't attempt to separate aircraft. Radar data show there were several aircraft immediately ahead of the plane, including the tour helicopter, "all of which were potential traffic conflicts for the airplane," but the controller didn't warn the pilot, the report said. It wasn't until controllers at the nearby Newark airport alerted the Teterboro controller to the potential collision that he tried unsuccessfully to contact the pilot, the report said. The collision occurred shortly after that.
The air traffic controllers union strongly disputes the criticism of the Teterboro controller who was suspended for making a personal phone call while on the job the day of the crash. Controller Ray Adams, a spokesperson for the Newark Tower, told NBC New York that "there is no possible way the [Teterboro] controller could have called a traffic situation," because the Liberty Tours helicopter wasn't even on the radar. Adams also said the Newark Tower had no idea there was an imminent problem, because even if the "conflict alert" message had been indicated on flight control computer screens, that's such a common occurrence on heavy traffic days above the Hudson, it's basically blinking continuously -- and often ignored. As for complaints that the Teterboro controller acted unprofessionally by talking on the phone with his girlfriend while interacting with air traffic, Adams said "the phone call did not distract from his duties." Transportation Department Secretary Ray LaHood has promised "action" in the wake of the findings, and the FAA is in the process of reviewing guidelines for operating procedures for the airspace over the Hudson River, which New York politicians have compared to "the Wild West."
Union, just sayin’, performance don’t matter: ATC, UAW, USPS, and on and on.
VFR rules are in effect. Has nothing to do with anyone in control towers.
GEEZ!
Are you a pilot?
I hear the muzzie in chief is about to give PATCO a huge raise and a new contract, in order to continue to piss on Reagans legacy.
I’m hoping he just missed the sarcasm indicator. ;-)
Okay....I almost get hit by that b!tch driving who was on her cell phone and now this........
Mrs Obama, we are so sorry, but the Federal Bureau of Outcome Determinations had an “inconvenient incident” and your husbands vasectomy team got the files mixed up with Rosie Odonell’s and well he does look striking in that evening gown and 4 inch pumps....
Husband is and we owned a Piper for year’s. Did the down the Hudson to NYC and up again and again. Visual Flight Rules works. Not everyone pilot in this case was looking. Rare and not related to Control Tower personnel.
The media and control freaks want to link this to Control Tower because they want things to change. Stupid. It was an accident.
I am.
You are right. I hate people controlling where I fly. VFR works very well and when ATC needs to be in control that is good to. But they don’t need to be in control ALL of the time.
“There was an inconvenience, but he took appropriate steps,” said FAA spokesman Jim Peters.
Inconvenience?? Is that what they are calling it now?
Absolutely. VFR has worked in the Hudson River corridor for ever. This is just hype by people who don’t know what they are talking about and never will.
see post 9
You probably need to refresh your recollection. It appears to be faulty.
So you think there is no problem when air traffic controllers talk on cellphones with their girlfriends while at work?
And people want flying cars. What an obmanation that would be.
“VFR rules are in effect. Has nothing to do with anyone in control towers.”
I have never seen whether the Piper was on an IFR or VFR flight.
Apprently he had been handed off to another controler which would indicate that any responsibility for avoidance was that of another controler @ Newark.
The film I saw on TV looked like the Piper was climbing and not on a sight seeing flight and the chopper was climbing straight up and very posible that his left wing blocked any view of the climbing chopper.
If this accident had anything to do with Air Traffic Controllers it might matter. But it doesn't, so it doesn't.
Mmmm... How's that work? A Piper is high wing, right?
” A Piper is high wing, right? “
Wrong Pipers are low wing!
What they have described and the puctures I saw it was a 6 place Lance, Piper didn’t make a Saratoga until 1980 and I think the news report listed it as a 1076 or 78 which would make it a lance.
The only difference was the wing. the old 300 (300 is the fixes gear and the lance is the reteactable gear) had what is refered to as a banana wing and the saratoga has a longer taperd wing.
So you think it doesn’t matter?
Just because you are VFR does not mean you aren't watched and given traffic warnings.
Thanks. You are not a pilot.
No, I don't see how it could. ATC doesn't direct every single small aircraft every second, especially in a place as busy as the airspace over the Hudson, and even more especially under certain altitudes in those places. This wasn't a failure of ATC. It was a failure of two pilots in VFR conditions to see and avoid each other. Pretty simple, really. There are certain rare circumstances where two pilots will have each other in blind spots and won't see each other until there's no time to react. Seems to me that this is what happened in this case.
No it doesn't, but those don't substitute for your own scan. Separation, clearance from clouds all remain the PICs responsibility. I've never had a VFR traffic call that I hadn't already seen. 2500 hrs.
If you listen to the USAir tapes, the Teterboro airport control tower was on it as soon as they were contacted. Teterboro was one possible diversion site for the USAir flight.
hmmm. I have had several. One was an airplane coming up directly behind me about 100 knots faster than me. I have had several that were quite a bit above or below me but didn't have altitude transponding so I was given a courtesy notification of traffic in the area. Many more. I find it hard to believe that you have NEVER gotten one you had not seen. Possible, yes, but from my experience unlikely.
Perhaps you should work on your scan. The times I could have used them (in Korea), the towers were inept.
I find it hard to believe that you have NEVER gotten one you had not seen.
Considering your stance on this issue that's not surprising. But then again, I never flew around with my head in my ass.
Perhaps if you had your head up your ass you wouldn't go around mistating other's positions on issues. Bye.
Of course, modern Pipers are low wing!
I plead a case of (to borrow from A.J. Foyt, when he climbed out of the tire barrier on his last crash) "momentary brain fade" -- probably brought on by having just watched this YouTube clip :-(
I'm well aware that, on aviation matters, you usually are spot on. I just (mistakenly) couldn't imagine a high wing hiding a climbing helicopter.
Thanks for taking the time to straighten me out!
I am also a retired USAF controller currently working for a contract company in OKC doing TERPS. Where were you stationed?
I agree the FAA is a porked up agency. But VFR is just that, I wouldn’t blame it for an accident save for vectoring IFR traffic (under IMC) into each other. Safety of flight remains the PICs responsibility.
Ha, LOL.
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