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Mark Steyn: Unplugging Grandma isn't the problem
OC Register ^ | August 14, 2009 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/15/2009 5:14:52 AM PDT by libstripper

Some years ago, when I was a slip of a lad, I found myself commiserating with a distinguished American songwriter about the death of one of his colleagues. My 23-year old girlfriend found all the condolence talk a bit of a bummer and was anxious to cut to the chase and get outta there. "Well," she said breezily. "He had a good innings. He was 85."

"That's easy for you to say," he said. "I'm 84."

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Mark proves how, the older you get, the better off you are living with our present health care system than any other in the world.
1 posted on 08/15/2009 5:14:54 AM PDT by libstripper
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Geez, THIS is the article that OUGHT to be e-mail blasted to everyone in the country!

Good one Mark!


2 posted on 08/15/2009 5:36:29 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: libstripper
In two hours at a small, rural, undistinguished, no-frills hospital in northern New Hampshire, this lady got more tests than she's had in the past decade in Britain – even though she goes to see her doctor once a month.

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But, under any government system that interjects a bureaucracy between you and your health, the elderly and not so elderly get denied treatment. And there's nothing you can do about it because, ultimately, government health represents the nationalization of your body.

STEYN BUMP!!

3 posted on 08/15/2009 5:37:48 AM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: libstripper
It's the difference between health "care" (i.e., going to the doctor's every month to no purpose) and health treatment – and on the latter America is the best in the world. - Brilliant. Bulls eye.
4 posted on 08/15/2009 5:43:41 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: libstripper
I had an elderly British visitor this month who's had a recurring problem with her left hand. At one point it swelled up alarmingly, and so we took her to Emergency. They did a CT scan, X-rays, blood samples, the works. In two hours at a small, rural, undistinguished, no-frills hospital in northern New Hampshire, this lady got more tests than she's had in the past decade in Britain – even though she goes to see her doctor once a month. He listens sympathetically, tells her old age often involves adjusting to the loss of mobility, and then advises her to take the British version of Tylenol and rest up. Anything else would use up those valuable "resources." So, in two hours in New Hampshire, she got tested and diagnosed (with gout) and prescribed something to deal with it. It's the difference between health "care" (i.e., going to the doctor's every month to no purpose) and health treatment – and on the latter America is the best in the world.

God, please don't let 'bama pass health care...

5 posted on 08/15/2009 5:47:42 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fishy rumors posters" Check 'em out:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2311664/posts)
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The problem with government health systems is not that they pull the plug on Grandma. It's that Grandma has a hell of a time getting plugged in in the first place.

Great line!

6 posted on 08/15/2009 5:49:17 AM PDT by Always Right
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The problem is that Obama’s “American Auschwitz Bill” needs acceptance so that the One isn’t embarrassed when it flops.


7 posted on 08/15/2009 6:03:40 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The Kenyan Warlord must fail !!!!!)
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It's the difference between health "care" (i.e., going to the doctor's every month to no purpose) and health treatment – and on the latter America is the best in the world.

Bingo! Even better, what we're after should be called "medical treatment," as Thomas Sowell consistently says.

8 posted on 08/15/2009 6:04:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you like every snake? I like every snake!)
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bttt


9 posted on 08/15/2009 6:07:34 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: libstripper

The whole thing has nothing to do with health care.

The Medicare system is bankrupt. The Medicaid system is bankrupt.

The hospitals on the SW border are bankrupt due to the illegals flooding the system.

Obamanation care is designed to end those plans over time, suck money into the government’s new programs and parcel treatment out using the best way to do it: Statistics.

Older, younger less viable get less care.

The Federal Behemoth needs all the tax money it can suck up and Obamanation Care is the way to do it.

Follow the money

BTW, Social Security is on the bankrupt list next year. What do you suppose the elite are going to do with that?


10 posted on 08/15/2009 6:08:44 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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bookmark


11 posted on 08/15/2009 6:08:55 AM PDT by squarebarb
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“American Auschwitz Bill” - That is a keeper.


12 posted on 08/15/2009 6:12:55 AM PDT by healy61
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To: libstripper
Except for Japan, I've noticed that our "100 year olds" in the news are knitting, working, jogging. European ones are sitting in the nursing home for 40 years. I also find it interesting that Guinness Book of World Records always lists the oldest working person in the world as an American. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
13 posted on 08/15/2009 6:18:35 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: OpusatFR
Once the Boomers hit Medicare in a big way and the multi-trillion yearly deficits begin, rationing care is inevitable, and those who have lived the longest will find their care the most restricted.

This will happen irrespective of whether Obamacare is enacted or not, or whether conservatives or liberals are in power. It's simply impossible to tax the young and middle aged enough to support unlimited access to unlimited medical technology at the ratio of 1.5 taxpayers per recipient.

If there is a Medicare program in 2035, it will be so different from today's program as to be unrecognizable. Or - there will be no Medicare, and retirees' health care will be determined by what they and their families can afford to pay out of pocket.

I believe America will never force suicide or deny basic life support - but the era of hip replacements and AICDs for nonagerians will be over.

14 posted on 08/15/2009 6:21:52 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Will we ever have another President whose lips aren't attached to Goldman Sachs' ass??)
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HANDS OFF OUR TOMBS!

What happened to “it’s my body” dealio?


15 posted on 08/15/2009 6:22:24 AM PDT by Anima Mundi
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I wonder what age these bureaucrats will determine is “too old” to treat. They say 50 is the new middle age so I assume that there’s a new benchmark for old as well. We’re living longer, healthier lives (due to our current healthcare) but I doubt that will be taken into consideration by the pile of statistics they use to determine “end of life”.

And once it’s carved in stone in their socialist takeover, they will probably only adjust downward in the future even if we live to be 150 because some 60-year old woman will never be able to contribute to society the way a 20-year old can.


16 posted on 08/15/2009 6:23:12 AM PDT by Kenny
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The problem with government health systems is not that they pull the plug on Grandma. It’s that Grandma has a hell of a time getting plugged in in the first place. The only way to “control costs” is to restrict access to treatment, and the easiest people to deny treatment to are the oldsters. Don’t worry, it’s all very scientific.

In Britain, they use a “Quality-Adjusted Life Year” formula to decide that you don’t really need that new knee because you’re gonna die in a year or two, maybe a decade-and-a-half tops. So it’s in the national interest for you to go around hobbling in pain rather than divert “finite resources” away from productive members of society to a useless old geezer like you. And you’d be surprised how quickly geezerdom kicks in: A couple of years back, some Quebec facilities were attributing death from hospital-contracted infection of anyone over 55 to “old age.” Well, he had a good innings. He was 57.

This ought to be of particular concern to Americans. As is often pointed out, U.S. life expectancy (78.06 years) lags behind other developed nations with government health care (United Kingdom 78.7, Germany 78.95, Sweden 80.63). So proponents of Obamacare are all but offering an extra “full year” of Euro-Canadian geriatric leisure as a signing bonus.

“Life expectancy” is a very crude indicator. Afghanistan has a life expectancy of 43. Does this mean the geriatric wards of Kandahar are full of Pushtun Jennifer Lopezes and Julia Robertses? No. What it means is that, if you manage to survive the country’s appalling infant-mortality rates, you have a sporting chance of eking out your three-score-and-ten. To say that people in Afghanistan can expect to live till 43 is a bit like saying the couple at No. 6 Elm Street are straight, and the couple at No. 8 are gay so the entire street is bisexual.


17 posted on 08/15/2009 6:23:20 AM PDT by thinking
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our "100 year olds" in the news are knitting, working, jogging

And if we get them to stay in the workforce, paying in rather than drawing down, until age 80 or so, that's the only way the Medicare program can be salvaged from financial collapse.

18 posted on 08/15/2009 6:24:09 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Will we ever have another President whose lips aren't attached to Goldman Sachs' ass??)
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To: libstripper

bookmark.


19 posted on 08/15/2009 6:34:52 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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“because some 60-year old woman will never be able to contribute to society the way a 20-year old can.”

I understand your point but based on what I’ve seen, I’d take the 60 year old.


20 posted on 08/15/2009 6:39:37 AM PDT by super7man
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