Posted on 08/21/2009 2:53:19 AM PDT by SolidWood
MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico enacted a controversial law on Thursday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and other drugs while encouraging government-financed treatment for drug dependency free of charge.
The law sets out maximum "personal use" amounts for drugs, also including LSD and methamphetamine. People detained with those quantities will no longer face criminal prosecution; the law goes into effect on Friday.
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Unless your 100 years old, you have NOT seen what happens when there is no drug laws.
When the hippies discovered LSD, they used it like candy, legally. Look at where those hippie liberals took the country.
First off, it was the whole generation of people from the 50s, 60s, and 70s, that took the country in the wrong direction, not just the hippies who were but a percentage.
Simple Fact: Every generation before is responsible for the problems that the current generation has to deal with.
the difference is that guns in the hands of civilians cut crime.
Putting more drug addicts on the street causes crime.
i have no clue what the WOD is. I am all for the constitution, less government involvement.
What do you think meth users, lsd users and crack users do for a living?
You think that these are recreational drugs?
get a grip.
read crime statistics.
I refuse to have tyhis conversation with a person who is just all happy about pot being legal, which obviously you are. This has nothing to do with an invasion of rights.
It has everything to do with a bunch of drug addicts committing burglary, larceny and robbery to feed their habits.
>I guess when government propaganda brainwashes indviduals for years, this is the end result: Arguments that make no sense.<
Sounds more like years of drug abuse on your part.
Probably. It worked in this country when production and distribution of alcohol was legalized again after prohibition. Production and distribution went back into the hands of legitimate businessmen. It put organized crime out or the alcohol business.
Bullwhack!
If drugs were legal, a serious heroin or cocaine habit would cost up to $10/day! Marijuana even less.
Recycling beer-cans can support that sort of vice.
They have to do this as their current “pressure release valve” known as the USA is approaching bankruptcy. This is nothing but a move to ensure that corrupt political class in Mexico City stay in power.
I’m not interested in how old they are (although alcohol in nature probably predates pot in nature) I’m talking about how totally, thoroughly Western Civilization is culturally tied to alcohol. Our entire social fabric and even dining, social events, pubs, everything in Western Civ is tied to alcohol and has been for thousands of years, to compare prohibition to making pot or hash illegal is simple and ridiculous.
To tell Italians that the Cannabis culture that the Muslims and Asians are bringing to their nation will not be tolerated is one thing, whether it works or not, but to tell the Italian people that wine will now be banned forever from Italian culture is clearly an entirely different situation.
lol, that's the socialist position. Libertarians believe one should be responsible for ones-self, not ones neighbor. BTW taxes on drugs would make billions to be wasted by government, not only on drug treatment, but numerous other lame brained ideas. If you don't use drugs you wouldn't be paying for any of it. Heck it might even make your taxes go down although I wouldn't count on it. Government never lowers taxes, they just grow to absorb any new revenue stream.
and your source for a $10.00 a day habit is what?
I have seen people blow $4,000 a day on crack.
Sell their kids.
You on the other hand figured this out when you had the munchies????
I’m done with you.
I agree. Put high taxes on the stuff and things wouldn't change much at all. Just look at tobacco taxes. They are terrible now and there is a huge illegal market just to avoid the taxes. We have, not so much the fedgov, but several states with large, expensive programs dedicated to information mining to root out the distribution channels and especially suspected individual customers who they then slap with huge "tax" bills (fines) with absolutely no due process. With comparable taxes on the newly legalized products I can foresee the formation of ATF like forces in every state acting like highwaymen, robbing folks at every turn. Of course there would be resistance, so the the end result would be changed little from how things are today.
Remember also, decriminalization, as it has come to pass in several states and now Mexico, is not legalization. If you get caught with a personal stash (as measured by the state) you still get a fine (ranging from $100 to $1000 in the states) and production & distribution remains criminal, so the armed drug war doesn't end.
So NO to decriminalization, and NO to legalization and taxation or state control of markets. Better to have a rational examination of the relative harms/benefits of legal vs. illegal for certain substances, and bring the trade of those those things into the legitimate channels where they become a part of the economy and are given the same treatment by government as all other trades.
Anything less than that and the war between the armed thugs, in some form, will remain in force.
Users, to the extent they harm others, can and should still be prosecuted for those crimes of harming others. As for "treatment", it is rightly a health issue and should be a normal part of that industry where (hopefully) personal responsibility will continue to rule the day.
When all else fails, launch personal attacks. Ha. Pathetic.
Propaganda is a powerful tool. It brainwashes even conservatives.
And People wonder why the country is heading down hill.
ALL CIVILAZATION IS TIED TO DRUGS.
FACT: Alcohol is a drug.
Some of the orginal founders of this country planted marajiuna as a crop. Government fed propaganda is getting old and tiresome.
Hows that funny? It is entirely true.
What is funny is the amount of so called conservatives claiming they love liberty and freedom, and then throwing away their so called values and supporting liberalization of the government.
Thats funny and sad at the same time.
I've read many posts here on FR where the poster seems to have spent 4,000 a day on crack.
The posts are normally from WOD supporters.
i have no clue what the WOD is.
WOD = War on Drugs.
I am all for the constitution, less government involvement.
The constitution does not support scheduling laws, and the War on Drugs has created more government involvment.
It has everything to do with a bunch of drug addicts committing burglary, larceny and robbery to feed their habits.
Liberals say that about gun restriction. Its the same load of BS.
If you comit burglary, larceny, or robbery you go to jail.
Possesion of a drug is not a crime, nor should it ever have been a crime. It has to do with that thing called LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.
Get it through your head: Prohibtion did not work, Drug laws do not work.
Well you need to understand the desperation, my FRiend - the desperation that drives ordinary, freedom-loving people to go so far as to empower their government to inaugurate a “war” on drugs. Desperate people do foolish things, like granting power to those who will abuse it.
Now ask yourself, “why on earth are they so desperate?” Isn’t it because we know what happens to our kids, our parents, our neighbors when they become addicts? Do we want that sort of effect becoming ever more commonplace, rotting our communities? our states? our country?
Today we have “dry” counties and “wet” counties. Isn’t it in our purview to determine for ourselves what sort of community we’ll have? Of course we should begin with a presumption of liberty. But that doesn’t mean liberty is a trump card for the settling of every question.
Look into the parts of the globe that are Cannabis based cultures and see if you notice the common traits they share.
Mexico leads the way - a small but significant positive first step. Hopefully they will next legalize production as well.
We should follow their example. A free republic has no proper role in interfering with consensual acts.
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