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To: LearsFool

Though I disagree with the premise as a whole of restricting individual liberty, I do have a belief in the rights of communities and find the tyranny of the minority just as oppressive.

Typically the right of the community to set it’s own public standards does not necessarily interfere directly with the rights of one in privcy to do what he wishes, so as long as it does not harm another, or others. Taking drugs while sitting in your own home does not harm society in any way, as long as the taker is a responsible person. The exact same logic applies now with the use of alcohol, only difference is it is legally available . There may be things that aren’t 100% kosher with the law, but you can do in the privacy of your home without creating a societal disruption that would draw the ire of the law.

But we’re not at the point where government cameras are installed in your home to see what you’re doing at all times. Nor does the ‘civillian security force’ knock on your door every now and then to ‘see how you’re doing’...do you want to see us go there?

Of course, I have my subtle differences which break from the overall tone of the above affirmation of the rights of the community. For example, my belief that a privately owned business such as a restaurant or bar that resides in a community which has banned smoking is restricted from catering to that clientele altogether...for the ‘greater good’ or for ‘public health’. A private business should be permitted to afford its customers and guests the environment that they want, without government dictates. Clients who don’t want such an environment are free to choose another establishment.

But, regulating something like wet/dry at the Federal level is a disaster. History has proven such, and in my opinion continues to prove it with the WoSD (War on Some Drugs) that it is waging against it’s citizenry, and communities.

Not to mention it is an excuse and abused and often results in the most tragic deprivation of the general liberty of American citizens in our history.

Here is one such example:

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

I would like nothing more than these so called ‘crimes’ of possession of small amounts of drugs to be neutered. People who casually use most drugs recreationally are not criminals against anything, other than transgressing against a certain type of groupthink, which is used to satiate ones own desires of using the state to enforce a particular set of morals.

See my earlier post about ‘Omnipotent moral busybodies’ for some more clarification.


187 posted on 08/21/2009 7:14:44 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: bamahead
Well you've just about swayed me, my FRiend.

But we’re not at the point where government cameras are installed in your home to see what you’re doing at all times....do you want to see us go there?

No, absolutely not. And your C.S. Lewis quote and following comments make a nearly-unassailable argument. I'm a libertophile to the bone. But as I said before, liberty is not a trump card for every debate.

Liberty and society are in a perpetual tug-of-war - you don't have to read much of the founders' debates to see they realized this and struggled greatly over it. If a particular liberty might bring this country to ruin - IF, just IF it might - surely you'd find it difficult to oppose restrictions on that liberty, right? I know you don't think drug-liberty could bring us to ruin, but I trust you can see the tug-o-war we face regarding some liberties.

This overreaching federal government makes my job in this debate harder, because they've tugged way too far, and I can't defend their tyrannical actions. But I believe legitimizing drug use will make it widespread, and with it widespread ruin of lives, families, and eventually the nation itself, until we become such a weakened body that we have no defense against whatever ailment (i.e. invading force, communism, islam, etc.) gets to us first.

That's my fear for the future of our great nation. Mexico is acting out of desperation, trying to stave off the "failed state" status everyone's predicting. I hope we never get there, but unless we've got what it takes to control our appetites - drugs or otherwise - it looks to me like that's where we're headed.
193 posted on 08/21/2009 7:44:28 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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