Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

I prefer a citizens takeover. (vs. a military)

From the philosophical viewpoint, a citizens' takeover would be preferable as a means to restore the constitutional republic. Unfortunately, it would likely include a much larger loss of life than a military takeover.

Either way, the communists are not going to win. There is a very good reason why they have not yet encountered substantial resistance, and they are far too stupid and arrogant to recognize it correctly. Simply put, when it starts, no power on earth will be able to stop it; it will have to run its course.

LaL... UP!!!

i live in ny...

This fight needs to be taken up in our state legislatures.

State sovereignty is step one. i live in newyork.

Step two is refusing to enforce or allow to be enforced, unconstitutional laws. I Live In NewYork...

Step three is defending your state from federal invasion to enforce unconstitutional laws.I LIVE IN NEWYORK!!!

like that would ever happen... the whores we call the legislature are part of it!!!

how do you fight that???

I think the problem began in the 1910’s with the first formation of the “Progressive” movement. It was in that era, that the income tax amendment (unlimited taxation to the Fed) and the amendment removing State’s control of the US Senate through appointment by the State Legislatures and replacing it with a second House of Representatives.

Add all the other Progressive ideas pushed by the Roosevelt’s, Wilson, etc and the 1960’s is just a step along the way.

Hmmmm, yeah, I think you're on to something. We also had a lot of anarchists and eugenics types running around with the progressives back then. My goal is to see the word "progressive" be as terrible and disgusting word to use as the "F-Bomb."

We have irreconcilable differences - time to get a peaceful divorce.

It looks that way and if a split up has to happen, it is the best way to go about it. The other alternative, as gory and disgusting as it is but we cannot keep going this way, they will put our heads on pikes or we will do the same to them. I don't like to think this way but it seems the two sides will not be able to get along.

He’s trying. He will fail. “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass” - Admiral Isoroku Yamanoto WWll”

“...War is always an act of aggression...”

Could you expand on that a little with an emphasis on the American Revolution?

If my neighbor asked me for this kind of help, I’d give it, hopefully along with many others.

I wonder if he’d consider running for office. He’s got a solid intellect (big picture kind of guy), presence, gravitas, and respected name recognition. He’s proven that he had guts.

s/be “has” guts.

I doubt that an 0bama penny will have any reference to God. More likely it will read, “In Obama We Trust”

Nah, just ”OBEY.”

I’d be watching the streets come election day 2010 - expect ACORN, SEIU, Panthers, etc. getting in everyone’s face at polling stations.

I agree with his comments...except, we’re not turning socialists, but rather Marxists. Cripes, most of these unconstitutional “czars” are commie thugs.

Let’s get it on and form a more perfect union...

For example, I would use armed resistance to stop authorities from seizing guns in my home...

Of course! This is a default. Those sanctioned criminals who would take them from you know this too, and they're good with it! I'll tell you why. It basically boils down to an issue of scale. During the planning of any conflict through which one wants to be SUCCESSFUL, logistics are PARAMOUNT! The issue of scale comes into play always. For example, the planners and executive officers must stand back and look at the big picture and ask the question, "Does it scale?" In other words...and on broad terms, "Can we succeed and meet the desired objectives under the current circumstances at our current resource levels?"

What little I just wrote above is the essence and core of what every war planner thinks about. So lets apply this to what you've just said with respect to scale. Plus, lets consider it from the viewpoint of those who would come and actually attempt to confiscate weapons in a house to house round up.

Most homes are woefully unprepared. Most people are also this way. 90% of all homes in America only require a flat headed screwdriver to breach. Most SRTs have roughly an 18 second window in which to make an entry once the initial "strike" is made using a battering ram, or door breaching rounds from a 12ga.

The problem with this is that most people don't wake up enough from a sound sleep to think effectively for at least 10 seconds. Then they spend another 5 seconds trying to figure out what's happening. That leaves three seconds to become prepared enough to deal with a five to nine man team who is entering your dwelling with automatic weapons, percussion devices (flash-bangs), and wearing kevlar. Oh, and by the way... they have prepared in advance. They will know all the entrances and exits to your home...vantage points in the surrounding area, where everybody sleeps, when you generally come and go, as well as the floor plans. They might even have been assisted by one of your neighbors. Let me assure you that well over 90% of warrant authorized entries by civilian SRTs result in ZERO or no attention required injuries on the part of the SRT.

I'm not trying to depress you. I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

Currently, it is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE that sanctioned authorities go on a house to house gun round up. In fact, under current circumstances they'll get away with it! They'll hit your neighbor's house and you'll never know they were there. Even if you do know, there's still the question of if you'll act in TIME and decisively enough to make a difference. Even if you do get involved, with only you, they'll just zap you in the process, and then come in your direction soon after...or call others who will soon respond. If it's dark though (and it probably will be), you better be able to see in the dark, be a good shot, and have something that pokes holes through TL-III-A rated kevlar and trauma plates! Federal funding for state and local law enforcement just after 911 made certain that they were well equipped to handle domestic terrorists.

But from their viewpoint, rounding up weapons house to house scales well! At least currently. But if people shift their tactics and habits and adapt just slightly, it will NOT. There is a good reason why the farmer doesn't generally fear shooting a federally protected bird of prey for killing his chickens, YET he greatly fears the lowly but unprotected Yellow Jacket nest in his wood pile! More so if he can't find it after his painful encounter! Everybody thinks they're a bird of prey, and it's a noble thought, but a pretty bad idea from the standpoint of making it through a pending civil conflict with an entity which has some fairly deep pockets! If people en-masse were to make their houses a little more secure and take LONGER to breach, this would help.

Of course, the ultimate offset would be achieved if people actually organized collectively as armed units. But be very, very careful about doing this because you'll all end up being ID'd as militia no matter what your real motives are! Then of course, authorities will take this as their nod that you were up to no good to start with and they'll probably come for a late visit eventually anyway based on this premise, poor as it might seem. The news will report your deaths the next day and make sure that the word, "militia" is liberally applied in their reporting and they'll associate you with Tim McVey and other lesser known whack-jobs and/or white supremacist groups, or Islamic terror... It won't matter at that point. They'll be sure that you get associated with SOMEBODY bad...and the public won't mourn your passing! In fact, they'll be GRATEFUL that the Constitution was trampled the previous night and that their overseers kept them SAFE from the likes of you!

Of course, the above is reasonably expected unless TOO many participate in the security effort, and then the situation changes to a problem that doesn't scale well for the opposition. In a sense, this is EXACTLY what happened to the U.S. Army in Mogadishu Somalia. Our best soldiers were humiliated and chased out of there like the farmer from a Yellow Jacket nest! But for this strategy to succeed, there would have to be organization on a much broader scale and commitment at a deeper level than anything that might be in place currently.

This one-off mentality is suicide, plain and simple. Everybody wants to be an Eagle, whereas nobody wants to be a Yellow Jacket! But Eagles end up being unceremoniously KILLED by some dumb country boy with a single shot shotgun for killing his chickens!....while Yellow Jackets continue to be given a wide berth!...FEARED and RESPECTED by all who know anything about them, and most of all by those who have had an encounter with them in the past!

...and finally...because I know that somebody is going to pop out and tell me that I'm full of crap because their security is so good, and they're so well armed... SAVE IT. Of course there are you one-offs. There always are. But as I was trying to say, this entire problem is one of simple logistics and scale, and particularly with respect to essentially taking on a bunch of one-offs. People who have good security have bought a little more time. But if a significant number of people were to do this, and then collectively organize, that would certainly create a dynamic that would be very difficult to scale by the current most likely perpetrators of a house to house gun round up....or any other type of hostile action against them for that matter!

...and finally...a disclaimer of sorts... "NO"... I am not a member of ANY militia, nor do I know ANYBODY claiming to be a militia member present, past, or otherwise... nor (as I've indicated above) do I necessarily recommend that you or anybody else start one! My background is in intel communications support, network security, and information warfare (courtesy of the DoD), and I currently work in close association with law enforcement, and therefore usually have a different perspective on these terrible things which we discuss.

What I've written merely states how somebody could achieve a desired outcome under perceived or real circumstances, and I don't necessarily even condone the methods I discussed. My statements are merely the result of observation and previous experience.

Use them...or don't use them at your own risk. :-)

It’s still aggression. In the case of the Revolutionary War, the patriots were AGGRESSIVELY pursuing their freedom.