Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

Wash Times ^ | 8/20/09 | Jon Voight

[pissant]

A Hollywood conservative has headed East. It's "Freedom Concert" time for Jon Voight. The Academy Award winner will join Sean Hannity in Cincinnati and Atlanta this weekend to honor fallen soldiers and present college scholarships to surviving children. Mr. Voight -- a warrior himself in many ways -- has been cogitating about the state of America, meanwhile.

"There's a real question at stake now. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?" Mr. Voight tells Inside the Beltway.

"We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can't see this is probably hoping it isn't true.

[pissant]

If so, then bring it on.

[Niuhuru]

Both sides have been wanting everything for too long.

[American Constitutionalist]

RIGHT ON BROTHER, RIGHT ON ...

[Kartographer]

I nominate John Voight FREDOM FIGHTER OF THE WEEK!

[Liz]

As his political situation worsens, Bozo wants civil war desperately......to embed
himself in world history. Remember that he fancies himself another Lincoln.

"I'm fantastic. You're not."

[central_va]

I’m ready, been ready and will always be ready.

[mjp]

We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms

we need liberation from Marxist oppression. The people have a perfect right to resist violation of their inalienable rights

[sickoflibs]

Laughable is MSNBC liberals like Maddow hand wring over right wing extremests and ask “How can we stop the hate?” and she does NOT mean stopping the democrats takeover of the economy and our lives. She means shutting up opponents.

[sand lake bar]

Perhaps it’s time to begin clarifying the specific circumstances under which various forms of resistance (e.g., passive, proactive, armed...) would be justified. For example, I would use armed resistance to stop authorities from seizing guns in my home...

[Logical me]

Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?

Yes! King Obama's radical ideas have put the nail in the coffin. We have been losing our freedom for many years under the guise of making life better for Americans. The worst criminals this Country have ever seen is now in King Obama's Administration. This communists is the worst of the worst our Government has ever put in office.

[tatsinfla]

i have been saying this very same thing for years now....it is long over due...its a shame that it is coming to this as many lives could be lost but when the liberals want to continually play the race card then there can never be any healing to take place...

[MrB]

This fight needs to be taken up in our state legislatures.

State sovereignty is step one.
Step two is refusing to enforce or allow to be enforced, unconstitutional laws.
Step three is defending your state from federal invasion to enforce unconstitutional laws.

[1000 silverlings]

How can we stop the hate

They can stop trying to kill us and our country for starters

[taildragger]

I begged and pleaded with liberals not to vote for "O" as I feared the pendulum swinging wildly faster back away from his swing to the left to no avail..... Read what Celente has to say:

http://yonkerstribune.typepad.com/yonkers_tribune/2009/08/the-second-american-revolution-has-begun-by-gerald-celente.html

Let us not hope we go down Celente's road via his predictions...

[Welcome2thejungle]

Sign me up on the side that wants to restore the limited government republic created by our Founders. Now!

Jon Voight for president!

[McGruff]

“Do not let the Obama administration fool you with all their cunning Alinsky methods. And if you don't know what that method is, I implore you to get the book ‘Rules for Radicals,’ by Saul Alinsky . Mr. Obama is very well trained in these methods,”

Give em hell Jonas.

[a fool in paradise]

< /seinfeld >

[Red Badger]

Jon Voight for president!

Does he have a birth certificate?......................(He played Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor),,,,,,,,,,,,,

[a fool in paradise]

Meanwhile Roger Ebert has declared that Obamacare IS socialism and that only in America is socialism a dirty word.

Rog is a Red, who knew his liberalism went that far?

I'm safe on board.. (Roger Ebert supports socialism) (Chicago Sun-Times 8/21/2009 Roger Ebert)

[MizSterious]

Perhaps he is, but if so, he isn’t working alone.

[Welcome2thejungle]

Let’s then surround Chicagograd with our panzers and drive these socialists the hell off our shores!

[Secret Agent Man]

This also means getting your county sheriff’s on board. They are the top lawmen in each county.

They can kick out the feds (FBI, BATFE, etc) if necessary. They technically must grant permission for feds to be there in the county doing whatever operations they are doing. They are also the ones to go to to get deputized because their jurisdition is the ENTIRE COUNTY, not just one city’s limits.

[Le Chien Rouge]

Predictions of Civil War//2nd American Revolution:

1) White vs Black vs Brown —it will be racial;count on it

2) Constitutionalists vs Statists

3) Most will sit out, only about 10 % will actually fight

4) Total War...no Geneva Convention here..kill or be killed will be the motto

5) Widespread famine....those who only ate organic food will be fighting for scraps that the dogs would even sniff

6) Not a north vs south thing...many conservatives still up north(upstate NY and Rural PA) and too many liberals down south(Raleigh and Northern Virgina)

7) Expect foreign intervention in the name of ‘world stability’

8) new leaders with common sense that no one has ever heard of will emerge..professional politicians will not be trusted

9) possible new boundaries for the US....we may lose California or add on parts of Mexico

10) In the end, the republic survives,many lefties flee to Europe and we rebuild ..

JMO of course...

[Little Ray]

Futile.
You'll end up dead.
What you REALLY want is to organize friends and neighbors who share your values so that if the “authorities” try to seize the the arms of anyone in your neighborhood, you can confront them with (hopefully) overwhelming numbers and firepower.
Six armed and armored “authorities” vs. an armed householder is the massacre of an “armed fanatic” and maybe his family, too.
Six armed and armored “authorities” vs. an entire neighborhood of armed and PO’d citizens is something entirely different.
The BEST possible outcome is to get to know your local police and sheriff's deputies. A bunch of jackbooted thugs facing the neighborhood watch AND the Sheriff’s department is start of something big...

[NY.SS-Bar9]

The first step is to petition the government for redress of our grievances.

[sand lake bar]

My response wasn’t intended to lay out all the tactics I would use to resist, but simply to announce the principle. Everything you said makes perfect sense, but the principle is not futile.

[BertWheeler]

Is it possible that the U.S. will actually break up into smaller regional countries? Are there any history professors or sociology professors here who could explain how that will work out. I’d like to refrain from constant Civil War stuff because War is always an act of aggression and there have been hundreds of countries who dissolved without one side trying to force the other side to just obey. Unless I’m wrong, and that’s where the History Professor could help me out.

[Biggirl]

....Lincoln, Obama is NOT.

[Biggirl]

Well I had read early this year of a writer who wrote for the Russian Provda saying this country will break up in a few years time.

[himno hero]

“We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can’t see this is probably hoping it isn’t true.”
.... only if we allow it.

Obama has to be stonewalled every step, then he will place a heavier need to operate beyond the constitution. In doing that we can hope for an impeachment and life goes on.

[DuncanWaring]

Ping.

[devistate one four]

# 4 get all illegal wetbacks out of the state you live in.

[devistate one four]

socialism is soft for comunnism.

[Poincare]

The war IS about control of the countryside and their weapons are NAIS, “food safety”, control of agriculture, control of irrigation water, etc. Their goal is rural cleansing. Look at a precinct breakdown red/blue electoral map.

[fortunecookie]

Laughable is MSNBC liberals like Maddow hand wring over right wing extremests and ask “How can we stop the hate?” and she does NOT mean stopping the democrats takeover of the economy and our lives. She means shutting up opponents.

Shutting up opponents, yes, but instead of meaning how can we bridge the divide, what can we do to reach out, she seems almost to be baiting the audience to stop the extremists in order to stop the hate. Wag the dog.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

From the imdb:

This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way. -- Jon Voight

Voight's prediction was very accurate.

Also:

It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America. -- Jon Voight

Remember, Voight can see through Obama, because Obama is a Lefty, and Voight was himself a Lefty in those old hippie days. He has since renounced his misguided Leftism.

Thank you, Jon Voight, for speaking out.

[Nowhere Man]

CW II ping

[griswold3]

Kinda like wanting ‘Peace’ or ‘lack of opposition’.

Never gonna happen!

[khnyny]

Obama and his handlers stay in control by creating faux division in the country. It’s the old divide and conquer. If the country is preoccupied with hating each other (left vs. right, etc.) then their eye is not on Washington, Wall Street, etc.

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”. - Rahm Emanuel

[gunnyg]

And...if so, what will be the next Ft Sumpter we are suckered into???

[JSDude1]

Too bad his daughter and husband didn’t (yet) follow in his foot-steps.

[gorilla_warrior]

I do not think that politics can solve the fundamental division between Free America and he forces of liberal fascism. Our political system and our government are illegitimate. The GOP is only allowed to exist in order to provide an illusion of choice. I do not believe the liberal fascists will allow a peaceful separation. We are at the same point that Germany was in the late 1920s, a very precarious position. Liberal fascists control the government, the media, academia, the legal profession, most major corporations, and most large institutions. With all of that, I still believe that Americans can win.

[sickoflibs]

Thanks for restating my point clearly, these folks are fun to watch when losing and they make taking away freedoms of speech and to bear arms sound like compassion.

[wardaddy]

careful Jon

WalMart might boycott you

[Nowhere Man]

Is it possible that the U.S. will actually break up into smaller regional countries? Are there any history professors or sociology professors here who could explain how that will work out. I’d like to refrain from constant Civil War stuff because War is always an act of aggression and there have been hundreds of countries who dissolved without one side trying to force the other side to just obey. Unless I’m wrong, and that’s where the History Professor could help me out.

I'm just a working class guy who is into history a lot but I just think that throughout history, a lot of large empires become corrupt, bloated, lazy and overcontrolling to the point where something goes wrong and they break up. We have been in an ideological cold war since the 1960's and I believe this is the main catalyst for a breakup although you cannot ignore other factors like ethnic, race and so on, unfortunately, but overall the main split is ideological. You have tow main views of America, one the traditional where you make it by yourself with little or no governmental interference with no welfare state or at least a welfare state just enough to take care of those who truly cannot take care of themselves for medical reasons. The other side wants a socialist state like any other country in Europe to even a Communist state. These two diametrically opposed views cannot coexist, one pulls the country one way, the other takes it in an opposite direction, at some point something will blow. We here believe that America should stay as it was.

The bad thing is if this happens, some outside power could panic an start an atomic war, perhaps Russia or Red China, and along with an internal split the Feds will lose power and cease to exist with the possible exception of a "rump USA" surrounding the DC area. Although territory will play a plat, it isn't as decisive as it was curing the Civil War.

I guess "new countries" you could see is a "rump USA," "Ecotopia" in the Northwest, "Deseret Republic/Empire" in Utah, a "New Confederacy," and so on. You might see the likes of Aztlan, a Black Republic or even a small "Aryan Nation" in Idaho. There will be others too.

[crazydad]

Well I believe it is what he is hoping for. When the shooting starts it will be blamed on the right and we can see the systematic rounding up perse of Republicans,gun owners people who are not worthy of the state.. He wants something to happen so he can suspend the constitution. I know alot of Libs thought Bush would do that and I laughed, but this guy really does have it in him.. Remember the saying “by any means neccesary”.

[CPT Clay]

Good question Mr Voight!

[Halgr]

I’m sending this to all my friends and relatives.

I hope other FReepers join me.

[RoadTest]

“We have been losing our freedom for many years”

77, to be precise.

The way they (NWO) usually do it, they create a crisis, like a world war or a depression, and then “solve” the problem by instituting their agenda, like the U.N. or government social programs and bureaus.

Thats why Rham Emmanuel said, “Never waste a good crisis”. That’s what he meant.

[airborne]

I doubt that an 0bama penny will have any reference to God.

More likely it will read, “In Obama We Trust”