You can't see it in this picture, but this joker was wearing a NEW YORK YANKEES shirt in ARIZONA, and he had the accent. Wonder how much he got paid to show up? I guess it doesn't matter since we OUTNUMBERED him 100 to 1.
Posted on 08/22/2009 8:29:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I agree with you, here.
Back in the day, there were proctors on the official marches against the war in Vietnam, but after the march, the crazies went wild with stones and pipes, trashing everything in their path in order to provoke the cops and then publicizing a *police riot*. The official march organizers denied all responsibility. The violence discredited the Movement and helped the Establishment. Today, the Establishment is those same crazies.
Security, video with an instant uplink (important so confiscation doesn’t silence the truth) and protests of our own are all good. I do not advocate hiding under the bed, but neither do I advocate trying to go up against paid thugs who know they will be bailed out and rewarded afterward. Yes, it is probably good to let them know we are capable of the same tactics, but are disciplined enough to pick our own battles and methods. Let them contemplate the future, for a change.
“And every one of those groups retain their superiority....”
No, actually, they are all dead. I guess they are superior in death. Do you think, in retrospect, that the jews of Germany would have rather fought back against the Nazi’s, earlier in the regime when they had a chance, rather than be rounded up because they didn’t fight? And if you think that the world is better off because the jews retained their ‘moral superiority’ while allowing most of their European presence to be obliterated, you are dreaming.
As I mentioned somewhat delicately before, and as I will mention not so delicately here, this country has slipped considerably as more and more of the political, social, and economic decision-making has been influenced by women. We were a stronger country, had more common sense, and were less driven by mindless emotion than the weak, confused mess we are today. And if you were intellectually honest, you would know that to be true, and you would re-evaluate some of your long-embraced notions.
I am a Jew. There are millions of us. We have a Jewish State. The Laotions have become communist totalitarian oppressors within their own country. We have a thriving Laotian Hmong population in my area. There are billions of Chinese and they are protesting their government daily on myriad issues of importance domestically.
Israeli Jews lost their support in the West, especially the support of progressive Jews, when they fought back and won. I do not agree with those who turned on them and I fought my own battles on that front over decades, within my own family as well as in society at large. This resulted in long term estrangements and if you think that is trivial, you are quite young.
As for your argument against women, it is emotional in and of itself. We will never go back to some mythical time when women were seen, but not heard and had no vote nor say in anything except what’s for dinner and how would the men like them to behave unless Islam takes total control. Blame whom you want and do what you please, just keep it so that only you bear the responsibility and the results of your own beliefs and actions.
You do not speak for me or my husband or any other male I respect. Nor do you control anyone else. Accusations of intellectual dishonesty are just one of the myriad of canards you have brought to bear in this discussion and what you mean is that I disagree with you. If you did not know my gender, likely you would be sniping about my cowardice. In either instance, you have nothing solid upon which to base such opinions, making them irrelevant. Strength comes in many flavors. Will and character are evident in every aspect of life. Confusion is certainly not a definition of disciplined tactics and strategy. None of these traits are the exclusive domain of either gender and never were, even in some mythical past.
Trust me, I have helped provide for myself and my family for over 50 years, I do not make my decisions based on feelings. I am capable of recognizing confusion and this discussion is not it. Walk in the shoes of the majority of conservative women and compare that experience to your overly-broad-brushed characterizations and then let us discuss intellectual honesty.
This has nothing at all to do with gender participation in society. Men and women deal with all the weaknesses you list and some of each gender fail. Making the gender blame argument is falling into the opposition trap set up by the Progressive female superiority argument, thereby giving credence to some sort of gender conflict. In my world, we are men and women on different sides of an extremely important conflict. We work together and what defines us are our individual character and our values, as well as our skills and determination. I am unsure if many of those I am allied with would want someone of your professed opinions on our side.
I have no doubt they will try this.
Look for them to say outrageous, racist, an violent type of comments. Their intent will be to smear conservatives with all of the old stereotypes, and get sound bites on tv or radio.
Also look for them to incite violence or start it their selves.
They have their people in office and think their agenda should be rammed through.
Beware of anyone you see talking or acting this way.
The radical left is desperate, and without morals.
“I am unsure if many of those I am allied with would want someone of your professed opinions on our side.”
Yeah, but when the inevitable begins, and you take cover under your bed, for some reason I expect that you will ‘grudgingly’ accept those in my group to ‘your side’. As you have throughout history, I might add. But please pass along my best to all the hand-wringers and conversationalists, all those pseudo-intellectuals who hide behind discussion, hoping that none of us see through the facade and recognize the weakness. And don’t worry, we’ll take care of you, we’ll cover for you when the time comes. So, carry on.
Years ago a FR person was singled out by union thugs and beaten and his wife intervened and was mistreated also.
It was obvious the the Union goons started this and were at fault.
One of them got his wrist slapped, and they sued the FR person and it took him years and loads of money to end the legal woes that were foisted on him by the Union backed by the courts and law enforcement to some degree.
There are ways to fight back without grabbing the bait put out there by the leftist instigators.
I have seem numerous times in the last few weeks videos of SEIU and ACORN agitators in the face of conservatives just waiting for one of us to take a swing at them so they can push the lie that we are the aggressive mob types.
Remember Obama told his people to get up in the faces of those that oppose leftist policies.
Good rational thinking on your part, reformedliberal. Thanks for expressing the reasoned debating points in your interaction with other posters that seem to encourage us to fall for the tactics of the left.
Tell you what. You and reformedliberal meet me on here a little more than a year from now, after a bunch of congressional elections are stolen. After polling leading up to that election shows republicans ahead and then miraculous victories happen on election day for Democrats. And we’ll all talk about moral superiority again. They are playing you for a sucker. The last thing in the world the left wants is an aggressive response from our side. They are scared to death of it. But they’ve fooled you into thinking the opposite, and have intimidated you from any aggressive response. And incrementally, they gain strength and power, until they have a stronger position and make a very strong move. But history and human nature mean little to the pseudo-intellectual.
Projection or straw men, your choice.
I'm not talking about moral superiority, you are inserting it into the conversation with vast broadbrush assumptions.
The “suckers” are those that take their bait and then get blamed for the left's aggression. Which you advocate.
I'm not going to waste time arguing with you about the left and what they want and don't want.
You obviously aren't up to speed on their tactics and how to intelligently deal with them.
Reread my former post to get informed, or take some time to do some research.
You are dead wrong in your many assessments of me in your post. And the other poster you pinged too.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I'll bet if a thug or thugs came up to her and started physically assaulting her, her husband would deal with them appropriately, and even to the satisfaction of your extreme views
I don't care that you describe yourself as a pseudo-intellectual. I think intellectualism is overrated.
“I don’t care that you describe yourself as a pseudo-intellectual.” ???
When you make some progress in your reading comprehension skills, let me know and we’ll continue our discussion.
Thanx, Syncro! I had the advantage of a pre-1968 public education.
My husband opined that raptor29 could well be an agent provocateur.
They "misunderestimated" us.
No thanks.
You aren’t discussing on the level that includes reasoned debate, but I see my experiment with bait worked quite well.
You husband is quite insightful
My best to both of you
I sense it with you this is also why gun and ammo sales have gone through the roof.
What a clown. “....my experiment with bait...”
You are on a message board, numb nuts. What an idiot.
It is a sign that the radical left is on the ropes.
You can't see it in this picture, but this joker was wearing a NEW YORK YANKEES shirt in ARIZONA, and he had the accent. Wonder how much he got paid to show up? I guess it doesn't matter since we OUTNUMBERED him 100 to 1.
Do you have a link to where you found that picture?
Thanks
Stay vigilant, that’s all you need.
I have a feeling that if they try this, they’ll be quite easy to ID. Let them act-out publcly, and if they have a history of Progressive activities, they’ll be outted publicly once their nonsense has made headlines.
If they do this, it should be a very big win for us, in the end.
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