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1 posted on 08/23/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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Will it be possible to ‘reverse’ this bill at some point? (if it passes)


26 posted on 08/23/2009 8:21:22 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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I think the tactic when used to subvert the will of the people is called dictatorship or treason, depending on your perspective.


27 posted on 08/23/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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This is the “nuclear” option and the Republicans considered using it when the Democrats filibustered every single judicial nominee.

Maverick John McCain came to the Democrats’ rescue at the last minute.


28 posted on 08/23/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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Do you need 51 senators present for a Quorum?


30 posted on 08/23/2009 8:25:31 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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And some of us wonder why vampire books and movies have become so wildly popular lately...


32 posted on 08/23/2009 8:31:21 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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Let's pray some 'blue dogs' say NO!


34 posted on 08/23/2009 8:36:29 PM PDT by potlatch
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The govt. plan does not need, by some of their own anticipatory statements, 90% of the specialists now in practice, and in shortage to the public, as the govt cut all specialist training positions by 25% in 2000/2001 nationally. Cutting out private insurance carriers and reducing practice incomes of the private practice docs to medicare or below, levels of reimbursement will force them from practice. They cannot be absorbed into salaried hospital positions. The public, in ignorance, is about to see their MD populations reduced beyond what will be their pleasure and they will be trapped in a static world of rigidly controlled health MANAGEMENT with no recourse to draconian policies by ‘committee’...soooo collectively utopian with real results in the dredful arenas of imagination.

Here is the recent link related to socialist medicine, NO IMAGINATION:
http://mises.org/story/3650


35 posted on 08/23/2009 8:39:06 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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Is there any doubt left that the primary purpose of nationalized health care insurance is to increase the power of the left in this country? The sad thing is the extent to which individuals do not see the power grab for what it is. Also, before I forget, this should make clear to the GOP once and for all that “big business” is not a constituency for them (ie the pharma companies striking a deal with the White House to promote this nationalization, GE, etc...)

There’s a term for a political movement which becomes a secular religion of the state and which drags in large private interests to its web. But of course it’s the pissed off retiree who castigates a congressman who’s the true fascist.

The left is comprised of those of limited means who expect something for nothing and those of means who don’t expect to have to use the crappy state run programs they want to foist on the people.

I don’t get it. Has this country not learned from recent history? Ten years ago a leftist president was proclaiming the end of the “era of big government” and yet here we are in the 21st century with idiots clamoring for the creation of a 1960s-ish bureaucratic monstrosity to control one-fifth of the nation’s economy.

This nonsense has been played out again and again in human history. It doesn’t work. It stagnates economies, destroys liberty, and pits group against group.

Leftists don’t understand a thing about economic growth and wealth and job creation. They think job creation is about taking the money of the character in the Monopoly board game and dispensing it through the federal department of job creation. They want to kill the economic goose which has provided so many golden eggs (and jobs) to this country over the years and resulted in a large and independent middle class. They hate this. It may seem quaint, but these knuckleheads live and breathe Marx. They believe they are fighting the great class war and their enemy is the American bourgeois, as well as those entrepreneurs who risk their money and time to pursue their dream and create plenty of jobs and opportunities along the way for others.

The results of nationalizing health care and some kind of cap and trade nonsense passing will be felt swiftly and severly in this country. It will absolutely kill any chance of regaining the robust economic and job growth Americans have come to take for granted. Investment will go elsewhere.

This seems rather obvious. So why is it happening? Simple. It’s a political power grab, which happens to fit the ideology of the left. These moves will increase the political power of the left in this country by making Americans yet more dependent upon the federal government. Just take a look at how older Americans react to any proposed changes in Medicare and Social Security (nevermind the looming financial cluster both of those represent or the $2 trillion deficit the federal government faces this fiscal year).

This crap absolutely has to be defeated. Or else we are going to be telling our children and grandchildren what living in a free and prosperous America used to be like.


39 posted on 08/23/2009 8:53:14 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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It is only mildly amazing to me that now, today, with this President, Democrats are concerned about reducing the overall cost of healthcare!

Pass this bill at your own peril is my thought.

There is a storm brewing!

45 posted on 08/23/2009 9:09:42 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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This is the NY Slimes wet dream .
The Repubs would simply demand the entire bill be read on the floor which would shut down the senate for up to a year.And they have already told Harry Reid they would if forced .
51 posted on 08/23/2009 9:30:05 PM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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They operate by their own rules. We haven’t the will to fight back (Rs in office).

This is not going to be pleasant.


53 posted on 08/23/2009 9:32:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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Appearing Sunday on the NBC News program “Meet the Press,” Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said a public insurance plan was “essential to getting the costs down taking control of this country, which is our No. 1 problem goal.” There, fixed it.
56 posted on 08/23/2009 9:49:12 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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Proponents of a public plan say it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive and would have lower overhead costs and lower executive salaries than private insurance companies.

In other words, people who don't understand the basics of capitalism swear up and down that their program is economically viable. Yeah, no.

58 posted on 08/23/2009 9:55:12 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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Democratic proposals to subsidize coverage for tens of millions of the uninsured

Did anyone ask this putz how many of these tens of millions of uninsured are illegal aliens, and why should the American people be forced to pay for insurance for people that don't belong here?

62 posted on 08/23/2009 10:33:47 PM PDT by metalurgist (Want America back? It'll take guns and rope. We're too far gone.)
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I checked with someone who works in a Republican Senate office, asking what - other than worthless "talk" - the Republicans would do if Democrats attempted to pass healthcare reform through reconciliation.

The response was as follows:

First, Senate Republicans would be united in their opposition to use of the reconciliation process to pass health-care reform.

Second, Republicans would use every parliamentary and procedural tool available to slow or stop Senate proceedings, for example by withholding approval of unanimous consent requests, requiring the reading of legislation in its entirety, offering numerous amendments, and forcing votes on adjournment.

Third, if the Democrats still proceed under reconciliation, Republicans would offer substantial ideas and alternatives to the health-care reform bill.

In response to this, a part of me says:

"I'll believe it when I see it..."

But for starters at least it is something...

65 posted on 08/23/2009 11:06:31 PM PDT by JustTheTruth (Say "NO!" to Socialism in America!)
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it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive

Stop. Right. There.

69 posted on 08/24/2009 4:23:19 AM PDT by agere_contra
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