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Precariously We Stand: On The Edge Of Revolt
http://www.thesubstratum.com/ ^ | 19 Aug, 2009 | G.J. Merits

Posted on 08/26/2009 4:15:56 PM PDT by ebiskit

I find it interesting the Department of Homeland Security deems it necessary to warn of rightwing extremists, as they ignore the fact of leftwing extremism. As a point of fact, making its rounds within the United States is a little book titled The Coming Insurrection. From the product description on Amazon:

The Coming Insurrection is an eloquent call to arms arising from the recent waves of social contestation in France and Europe. Written by the anonymous Invisible Committee in the vein of Guy Debord—and with comparable elegance—it has been proclaimed a manual for terrorism by the French government (who recently arrested its alleged authors). One of its members more adequately described the group as “the name given to a collective voice bent on denouncing contemporary cynicism and reality.” The Coming Insurrection is a strategic prescription for an emergent war-machine to “spread anarchy and live communism.”

Written in the wake of the riots that erupted throughout the Paris suburbs in the fall of 2005 and presaging more recent riots and general strikes in France and Greece, The Coming Insurrection articulates a rejection of the official Left and its reformist agenda, aligning itself instead with the younger, wilder forms of resistance that have emerged in Europe around recent struggles against immigration control and the “war on terror.”

Hot-wired to the movement of ‘77 in Italy, its preferred historical reference point, The Coming Insurrection formulates an ethics that takes as its starting point theft, sabotage, the refusal to work, and the elaboration of collective, self-organized forms-of-life. It is a philosophical statement that addresses the growing number of those—in France, in the United States, and elsewhere—who refuse the idea that theory, politics, and life are separate realms.

I eagerly await the Department of Homeland Security’s admonitions of the dangers of leftwing extremism.

Our own Declaration of Independence – a bit more eloquent – was used as a preamble to describe the abuse of power by Great Britain and subsequent call-to-action for independence. The beginning is a generalization of the human condition under any form of tyrannical government:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.

Civilization is a thin veneer that separates us from the hardships of raw survival. While western civilization has provided us with the opportunity to enjoy the more heady pursuit of philosophy, our love affair with the mind and its capacity for abstract thought often precludes us from noting the ephemeral nature of civilized discourse. Such is the blessing and the curse of living in a society such as ours. In our ignorance of the transient nature of civilization we are freed from a constant anxiety visiting itself upon us, blinding us to a harsher reality that peeks from just around the corner – that mass violence can, and has, occurred in America.

The start of the Revolutionary War did not come about through “light and transient causes”, but through “a long train of abuses and usurpations”. Historians estimate that approximately 40-45% of the colonists actively supported the rebellion against England, 15-20% of the population of the thirteen colonies remained loyal to the British Crown, and the remaining 35-45% attempted to remain neutral. While hard to gauge how many males would support violence as a means to secure liberty from oppression, I believe the number not to be small. How many of these would consider it their duty “to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security”? I am of the impression, given my arguments below, that any such action taken by the citizenry of this country would quickly escalate, swelling the numbers of those opposed to a power grab by a centralized government and willing to take up arms to settle their grievances. If one believes I am a fear-monger, think of this: America has enjoyed one of the longest stretches of peace within our borders than almost every other nation on this planet. There were those who thought something like 9/11 could not happen here. They were wrong. Given the current supercharged political climate and the blistering pace at which standard pillars of American society are falling, I do not belong to the “it can’t happen here” crowd. I do, however, hope it does not happen here. Unfortunately, the signs I see do not point me in a direction of comfort concerning this matter. Many whom I have spoken to share the same sentiments. Unless the current administration changes course and desists in usurping the personal rights held dearly since the birth of this nation, it is my belief that a great violence shall overtake our nation.

In the struggle for the life and death of liberty there exists no greater potential for instigating revolution than trampling on the will of the majority in an attempt to steal away rights endeared to our hearts. As America watches treasured traditions and freedoms quickly vanish from the landscape, it is my fear that battles fought with words will morph into something far more nefarious.

White House spy programs, carbon taxes, the plunging value of the dollar, a stimulus package that is not stimulating, exploding deficits that saddle us and future generations with huge tax burdens, government takeovers of the private sector, and a slew of other offenses are beginning to build up a certain sort of pressure. Should health care be rammed down our throats, whether along with cap-and-trade or not, the result could very well be explosive.

Any society, particularly ours, is nothing more than a social contract among citizens to follow a basic set of precepts. As our individual survival is paramount, these group covenants typically address issues related to our own physical and mental well-being, allowing the parties to enjoy a certain level of freedom and to thrive. Don’t murder me; don’t steal from me; don’t cheat me; protect me. In our own peculiar American civilization, many of these intersect with the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are the most basic tenets of our civilization, and in reality apply to most Western civilizations. They lead to laws against killing and stealing; laws of fair-business practices, and the recruiting and training of a military. With these basic needs protected, remaining resources concentrate on agriculture, infrastructure, education, and a host of other higher functions: philosophy, mathematics, science, engineering, and the arts, to name a few.

In the advanced stages of civilization it becomes easy to forget just how close we are to savagery. If you take away the contract – or a centralized power continuously and unabatedly attacks our liberties, usurps our power, and abuses us – then like a cornered wild animal we will turn on those who commit such grievous insults, grab back our liberty and take back our power. At first, the attempts will be benign, including legal actions such as 10th Amendment assertion of states rights. However, should the courts rule for the centralized power, allowing the assaults on liberty to continue, then rebellion in some form or another may take place. Will it be the pursuit of legal resolution , civil disobedience, secession, domestic terrorism, or outright rebellion? While hard to quantify, qualitatively the list appears to progress from most likely to least likely, with the possibility of overlap. However, domestic terrorism is a real threat – from both leftwing and rightwing extremists. As the Irish Republican Army once told the Prime Minister of England – we only have to be right once, you have to get it right every time. Such actions would forever change the landscape of our country and I fear the current administration is on track to create such an explosive atmosphere. My fear is that any armed resistance from one side will quickly draw the opposing side into conflict. Whether the sphere of influence for either side widens, drawing in those more moderate to the conflict, remains to be seen. We have already witnessed leftwing SEIU members commit acts of violence against peaceful town hall protesters. This after what almost appears like a cloaked tacit approval to “hit them back twice as hard”. The source of the last statement – the President of the United States. Political language is often parsed for hidden meanings, which is why politicians must be very careful how they use the powerful weapon of speech. For some, it will be difficult to discern whether the leader of the free world, through either naivety or actual support, is recommending violent resistance through a form of passive aggressive use of speech. Combined with flagging spy programs, pre-screened audiences at Presidential town halls, plants at Congressional town halls masquerading as doctors to lend credibility to a health care reform plan which, at its very core, cannot be defended, the signs are troubling. Naturally, the natives are getting restless. Years of not trusting government, combined with the current political atmosphere, the level of engagement by those opposed to the path charted by a very liberal administration, buyer’s remorse by many who voted for “hope and change” and are getting more than they bargained for, and some Congressional members stating they will vote for health care reform in the face of majority disapproval by constituents, is setting the stage for a showdown. What shape the conflict will take remains to be seen.

The civic body can only take so much insult before rebellion. No other species on the planet possesses the savagery and cunning of homo sapiens; there is a reason we rule the earth. Our higher functioning brain evolved for survival – civilization is a side effect, and is nothing more than another tool for survival. Take away this tool, and others quickly take its place. We may cherish our moral and ethical framework, but events in history prove over and over again that this framework has no power over our more basal instincts when the facade is ripped away – regardless of how we wish it to be. This is the human condition. Everyone will throw out the rules at one point or another if pushed over the brink.

In such a situation, instinct is now the driving force to reacquire principles and rights, and the sphere of influence for social contracts in such situations shrinks drastically. It is a blessing and a curse of our own civilization that we are unable – and unwilling – to see just how fragile all of this is. We spend so much time caressing our ideologies and cooing over how clever we are that we miss the point. To survive we must be pragmatic before we are ideologues, or at least a better balance must be struck between the two. There is so much more we need to do to ensure our own survival and the survival of our civilization, and it must start with those who, unbeknown to them, are stirring the pot by absconding with our liberties. That they do this with ideology is the real danger. Blinded by this very ideology, they are myopic to the consequences of their actions. There is nothing conducive whatsoever in any of the proposals coming from the liberal establishment of this country. An insurmountable intellectual gap separates reality from anything resembling utilitarian ideas. The reactionary forces will themselves be ideological, for it is principles and ideas which drive us towards and away from civilized behavior – they are our only point of reference. America’s leadership is setting America up for full-scale disillusionment. We sit on a social powder keg.

Take for example the complete lack of pragmatism regarding cap-and-trade. First, if one believes global warming is man-made, the current cap-and-trade bill only moves around the chess pieces as it were. In the process, a transfer of wealth from energy using states to states using less energy through the purchase of carbon credits on a market will have zero affect on the global climate as greenhouse gasses will not be reduced. Even if greenhouse emission reductions are mandated, as they are, if China and India do not participate, America is put at an economic disadvantage. Where is the pragrmatism here?

Recently the Australian Senate rejected cap-and-trade due to a siesmic shift in the public’s opinion conerning man-made global warming. It now appears that evidence is pointing to other sources of global warming and not industry as the cause. Yet we still suffer from global warming hysteria in this country. Read A Tax On Thin Air. Using what now amounts to shaky science, we are about to submit our economy and future generations to an oppressive centralized regime for reasons that appear more groundless by the day. Try to entertain an opposing opinion to the anthropocentric global warming meme and you are likely to be compared to a holocaust denier. It is this complete lack of imagination on the part of liberals that is so infuriating. And this is not the only subject matter of which liberals are guilty of such transgressions against simple logic. Their tendency towards the illogic on a host of issues and the subseqent sacrafice of our liberties in pursuit of a solution that places more control into the hands of a centralized behemoth defies common sense. Yet here we are.

Reihan Salam writes in Pelosi Is Wrong (emphasis mine):

If Obamacare eventually passes in some form, I’ll make you a guarantee: these ferocious protests will keep getting bigger and louder.

To get a glimpse of America’s future, consider France. The French have the health-care system that Americans desperately want [polls strongly repudiate this last point - I am not quite sure what the Mr. Salam was thinking when he wrote this rather obvious misrepresentation]: it combines private providers and patient choice with a large and generous public insurance system, one that keeps out-of-pocket costs extremely low for working families. The French system is also dramatically cheaper than our own. But whenever there’s a move to tweak the system in some way say, to gently nudge patients to get the approval of a general practitioner before seeing a specialist the French go absolutely mad with rage. Doctors go on strike, massive street protests ensue, the riot police come out: it’s a crazy scene.

And it makes perfect sense: as more life and death decisions are placed in the hands of democratically elected legislators, politics become more than an occasional nuisance. When your wages are stagnant or your health insurance premiums are zooming skyward, you don’t blame your boss or bad luck; instead, you blame the knuckleheads running, or rather ruining, the country. You come to feel as though you can’t just wait until the next election: You need to make your voice heard now even if that means taking to the streets or throwing a punch. We can call the protesters un-American. Yet America has gone through long periods of roiling unrest before and it can happen again.

As CNSNews points out:

Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.

At the same time, more Americans nationwide are saying this year that they are conservative than have made that claim in any of the last four years.

In 2009, 40% percent of respondents in Gallup surveys that have interviewed more than 160,000 Americans have said that they are either “conservative” (31%) or “very conservative” (9%). That is the highest percentage in any year since 2004.

Some may not wait for the next election. I plead with our leaders to tread lightly or I fear they may send us down a path none of us really wants. Whether from the left, right, or middle, things could get ugly out there.

Let us hope it is ideas and not violence that resolves our differences. In my humble opinion, the Obama administration is pushing the envelope and the buttons that could very well lead to the violence I and most of you would wish to avoid. The time for leadership is now. Obama, the time to listen to the American people is now.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 10th; banglist; insurrection; secession; sovereignty
Excellent Read.

Too bad Liberals have lost all comprehension.

Links at original post.

tahDeetz

1 posted on 08/26/2009 4:15:57 PM PDT by ebiskit
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To: ebiskit
the money quote:

Given the current supercharged political climate and the blistering pace at which standard pillars of American society are falling, I do not belong to the “it can’t happen here” crowd. I do, however, hope it does not happen here. Unfortunately, the signs I see do not point me in a direction of comfort concerning this matter. Many whom I have spoken to share the same sentiments. Unless the current administration changes course and desists in usurping the personal rights held dearly since the birth of this nation, it is my belief that a great violence shall overtake our nation.

This is where years of the machinations of the Gramscian, Machiavellian Left have taken us. Whoever believes that, at this point with the taste of absolute power so near, that they're just going to turn around and start respecting due process, the rule of law and the Constitution is smoking BC bud. These monsters aren't just going to shrug and say," Oh well, you beat at the ballot box this time. We give up."

Remember: absolute power. That's what they crave. They can taste it. They can see the totalitarian pot of gold at the end of their Alinsky Rules Marxist rainbow. And when they get there, what do you suppose will happen here? You all do remember that from Marx to Ayers, the Left has always figured that they'll have to slaughter 20% or more of the US population in order to get their way. They've said as much. Repeatedly.

Get real people. There's only one way that this can end. More and more of us see that clearly. Appeal to God all you like. God will not save that upon which so many of us have turned our backs. We're going to have to earn it back, and the price for an American Restoration will be paid in fire and blood.

You can bet your life on it.

2 posted on 08/26/2009 4:35:00 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Noumenon
"You can bet your life on it. "

I'm all in.

3 posted on 08/26/2009 4:48:01 PM PDT by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: Noumenon

I wonder what the military will do when it becomes obvious that the Obama administration is out to become a totalitarian regime? “All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”.


4 posted on 08/26/2009 4:55:18 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Not all will bow the knee to the Obamanation. Some, but not all. Where it goes from there is anybody’s guess.


5 posted on 08/26/2009 5:01:49 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Noumenon
Remember: absolute power. That's what they crave. They can taste it. They can see the totalitarian pot of gold at the end of their Alinsky Rules Marxist rainbow. And when they get there, what do you suppose will happen here? You all do remember that from Marx to Ayers, the Left has always figured that they'll have to slaughter 20% or more of the US population in order to get their way. They've said as much. Repeatedly.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever."

1984, George Orwell

The only thing he got wrong was the date.

6 posted on 08/26/2009 5:07:26 PM PDT by Ronin (Nemo me impune lacesset)
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To: Noumenon
You can bet your life on it.

That was done for us the day this POC in the White House got elected.

7 posted on 08/26/2009 5:07:35 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: An Old Man

I am not a violent person but in the deepest part of my soul I have been prompted to exercise my 2nd amendment right and have bought a few hand guns a few rifles and a shot gun. I have bought several thousand rounds of ammo including A.P. steel core for my AK. So if it become a point of defense or survival I am ready.


8 posted on 08/26/2009 5:10:31 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
“All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”.

It depends on who do they see as the enemy of the constitution which they are sworn to up hold.

9 posted on 08/26/2009 5:12:12 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: Noumenon

ditto. . .

This political infestation is not easily cured.

Marxism on the down/low can not be tolerated any longer.

Claim your political ideology up front, or get the f—k out.

I hear Russia is in serious need of breeding stock or they will soon become a back-water Chi-Com state.

Its a 100 year problem & I see no easy outs.

Surrender or compromise is not an option.

tahDeetz


10 posted on 08/26/2009 5:12:55 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: ebiskit

yes, this is an excellent piece.

Too bad the author still believes that everything chosen1 has done is like some kind of errant-but-well-meaning guy that deep down inside really does like America, and will/must come to his senses and set us back on the right course.

The truth is just the opposite; chosen1 is going exactly where he wants to go with this.

Jefferson’s Tree Beckons...

JG


11 posted on 08/26/2009 5:58:25 PM PDT by Jacksonian Grouch (God has granted us Freedom; we owe Him our courage in return)
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

Ping.


12 posted on 08/26/2009 6:03:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Noumenon; All

nailed it.

spot on.

Ping.

Bttt.

I believe you are right sir; my wife is already sick of hearing me say, “it’s gonna get bloody before it gets better”.

JG

BLOAT


13 posted on 08/26/2009 6:05:05 PM PDT by Jacksonian Grouch (God has granted us Freedom; we owe Him our courage in return)
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To: ebiskit

Bookmark for later read


14 posted on 08/26/2009 6:09:53 PM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: Noumenon

I suspect soon I will soon get my chance to fight for freedom.


15 posted on 08/26/2009 6:40:07 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: ebiskit

We have to wait until “American Idol” is cancelled and football season hasn’t started.

There are only four million NRA members. There are at least 75 million gunowners who sit on the sidelines doing nothing. Former NRA members quit because the NRA sent them a letter once in awhile. Some gunowners refuse to help because the NRA didn’t do something forty years ago when they were not a lobbying group.

So where are you going to get this army? During commercials?


16 posted on 08/26/2009 9:05:32 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: ebiskit

“In the advanced stages of civilization it becomes easy to forget just how close we are to savagery. If you take away the contract – or a centralized power continuously and unabatedly attacks our liberties, usurps our power, and abuses us – then like a cornered wild animal we will turn on those who commit such grievous insults, grab back our liberty and take back our power.”

Wise words from a man who obviously feels the fires of liberty burning deep within. Words that should be heard by ALL those who would aspire to be our “Masters”.

DO NOT underestimate the wrath that will come down upon this land if our Divinely Inspired Founding Principles continue to be cast aside like so much worthless “paper”.


17 posted on 08/26/2009 9:13:26 PM PDT by A Rifleman (The Appleseed Project - Returning America To A Nation of Rifleman)
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To: ebiskit; All

May I remind all that only 3 Percent of the populace actually fought during the Revolutionary War with 10 Percent giving them support.

Thusly. . .

The Declaration of Independence is codified law of the United States of America.

No ifs, no ands, no buts. Period.

To deny this is to willfully surrender your own personal dominion & birthright, thus becoming pliant State chattel.

The fundamental concept of one meekly, dutifully abdicating to the Leviathan of State, one’s absolute right of separation from said State, is wholly reviled & the absolute antithesis for the Constitutionalist of Original Intent.

Remarkably, the Constitutionalist is now considered a mortal threat by the DHS due to his proper & unwavering reservation for the foundational precepts of God’s Natural Law.

These timeless rights were guaranteed long before the Heavenly-inspired inscribing of the Founding Documents & thus have existed from the very moment God decided to bequeath them to all mankind.

These rights have no shelf-life nor any factual redress from the contrived result of a simple majority foolishly clinging to the “light and transient cause” of perverted societal change, being hypnotically swayed only by the simple solicitation of esoterically twisted logic.

Found cradled in the supreme prose of the Declaration of Independence, is the inherit, God-given rights of all Men to justly throw off & smash the harsh yoke of a tyrannical State; a State which is now clearly in breach of the civil contract it swore to uphold & is duty-bound to jealously protect.

At it’s very core, there is a paramount Failure of State. The scope of failure is undeniable, unsustainable & alas, nearly unsalvageable.

This Government has become openly ‘destructive’ to the proper ends of wise determination.

The Body of State has clearly forfeited the unalienable consent of the governed & recklessly abdicated the temporal privilege of obedient & serviceable governance.

Those readers of a ‘litigious’ nature, should pay heed to the overwhelming impact contained within the Declaration’s cataclysmic opening words.

Since God’s initial Earthly Paradise was lost by Adam’s vain ignorance, every common Man’s unique individuality has been cursed at the hands of countless despots.

Then, for the 1st time in human history, The Declaration of Independence successfully rescinded this natural state of Man’s wanton wickedness over his fellow Man. Thus, over the next 200 short years, the Declaration & the Constitution have been definitively proven to be as close as possible to God’s absolute truth for the proper governance of this most imperfect creature.

The Declaration’s non-negotiable recognition of where rights are truly derived, is why secularists, statists & tyrants in general, regularly play-down & even outright ignore the Declaration as a non-binding or antiquated document of minor import.

Nothing can be further from the truth.

Historically speaking, the Declaration is young, yet it’s age is inconsequential. The truths revealed therein are nearly eternal. The words were written to withstand the onslaught of sand.

Following the opening statements when the Founder’s rapidly commandeer their true Liberty, the list of incisive indictments of the State’s abuses & usurpation’s are carefully recorded & lay bare obvious witness to the entire oppressed lot. These are succinct & effective descriptions of absolute tyranny & thus command timeless application & unprecedented parallel across the generational divide. In these glaring truths of self evidence, the Declaration remains an unbreakable mirror of revelation for recalcitrant governments everywhere, vividly confessing every wart, callus & pustule that attempts to shun the light.

No freedom is ever free, therefore, liberty must be physically purchased in the Patriot’s & Tyrant’s blood. Within the 2nd Amendment is garrisoned the requisite weapons for the initial demand & vigilant preservation of the Free State.

Overtime, the operational fulcrum where rests the commanding weight of We The People, shall remain the 2nd Amendment. This will never change due to Man’s insidious duplicity, which lies untamed, just beneath his shallow smile. Thus, the 2nd Amendment is an irrevocable guarantee that duly ensures the citizenry’s unfettered access to a perpetual bulwark that is the necessary means to properly execute their duty-bound eternal defense of the Free State.

Once the physical being inhabits the well of self-determination, civilization then allows for wit, wisdom & persuasion to be the order of the day & thus maintain the political balance. Man’s better angels are then set free to roam & improve the lot of others.

However, the State has a severe predisposition towards the naked display of self-servile hedonism, resulting in it’s continual mis-comprehension of the actual hierarchy.

The consensually governed swiftly becomes the unrighteously ruled.

Initially, out of a feigned appearance of restraint, rights are only cleverly dismissed. Soon after, rights simply become objects of jest & sport as the fiefdoms of old once again cruelly dominate the bitter landscape.

No retreat remains. Our smite simply becomes involuntary action.

I bow to no man & never will.

By hook or by crook, this creed shall persist.

The State simply can stake no claim upon my eternal soul.

tahDeetz


18 posted on 08/27/2009 3:24:52 AM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

They will have no choice but to have Obama removed from office.


19 posted on 08/27/2009 5:55:39 PM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Currington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: ebiskit

Related thread:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


20 posted on 09/05/2009 6:45:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $1 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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