Science Catches Up with Religion Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices..

The Remnant ^ | August 31, 2009 | Mark Alessio

[GonzoII]

(Posted 08/28/09 www.RemnantNewspaper.com) They weigh less than 3 pounds, usually, and are perhaps 15 inches long. But “they can remember,” reports Jennifer Harper of The Washington Times (July 16, 2009):

The unborn have memories, according to medical researchers who used sound and vibration stimulation, combined with sonography, to reveal that the human fetus displays short-term memory from at least 30 weeks gestation – or about two months before they are born.

"In addition, results indicated that 34-week-old fetuses are able to store information and retrieve it four weeks later," said the research, which was released Wednesday.

These findings were obtained by scientists from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Maastricht University Medical Centre and the University Medical Centre at St. Radboud, both in the Netherlands, after a study employing “gentle but precise” sensory stimulation was made of 100 healthy pregnant women and their fetuses:

On five occasions during the last eight weeks of their pregnancies, the women received a series of one-second buzzes on their bellies with a "fetal vibroacoustic stimulator," a hand-held diagnostic device used to gauge an unborn baby's heart rate and general well-being.

The baby's responses – primarily eye, mouth and body movements – were closely monitored over the weeks with ultrasound imaging to gauge "fetal learning" patterns. The researchers found that the babies acclimated themselves to the sounds and vibrations to the point that they no longer bothered to respond – a process known as "habituation." "The stimulus is then accepted as 'safe' " by the babies, the study said.

[GonzoII]

[GonzoII]

Full Title:

Science Catches Up with Religion
Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices, and have sense of taste, touch and smell

[GonzoII]

Ping.

[KTM rider]

Shhhh...

now they will have to change the name "abortion" to "state sanctioned murder".

[kittymyrib]

These are the babies whom the Democrats, including the late Ted Kennedy, consider sub-human and abortionists’ fodder. Our country is being judged for this because God will not overlook such cruelty, even though the Roman Catholic Church does.

[gov_bean_ counter]

And before this the 4-d sonogram and before that the hand from the womb during surgery.

I doubt any science will change the minds of the baby killers.

[presently no screen name]

Ps 139:13,14 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

[svcw]

Oh, come on. What mother did not already know this?

[Voter62vb]

This study is supported by many or our personal experiences.

[Voter62vb]

This study is supported by many OF our personal experiences.

Woops. Was watching Obama, Bubba and Hilary at the Funeral.

[EAGLE7]

They don't care whether or not science can prove a fetus is indeed a living human being. Just like everything the democrats support, it's never about the issue such as minority rights, gay rights, rights for illegals, or abortion rights...it's all about their devotion to their Marxist faith, their absolute dedication to usher in a cultural change in America and bring their Utopian Socialist society into reality. By constantly attacking our Judeo-Christian Culture they seek to negate its influence in the hearts and minds of the American people and replace it with a progressive liberal philosophy and a warped culture of death....”Woe unto them who call good evil and evil good...” Isaiah 5:20

[Thud]

Yup. We sang a Welsh lullaby to our children in the womb so it would have a more calming effect on them when we sang it to them after they were born. This helped a great deal when we wanted them to sleep. This has long been a tradition in my family - my father got it from his mother, and passed it on to me, and his mother got it from hers.

[LetMarch]

Thanks, that was one of the verses I was searching for; the others are:

“And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God. And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His Name JESUS.” (Luke 1:30-31)

Two times in bibical history there were orders by those in authority that ordered the death of the new born: After the birth of Moses, and after the birth of Jesus!

[TheFourthMagi]

Pro-lifers need to disavow the cold, clinical, and dehumanizing term ‘fetus’ and use ‘baby’ or ‘infant’ exclusively.

[GonzoII]

"And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb"

"Ps 139:13,14 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. "

These are some good verses too, I think:

Lk 1:42 "blessed is the fruit of thy womb."

Lk 1:44: "the infant in my womb leaped for joy."

Gn:25:22: "But the children struggled in her womb, and she said: If it were to be so with me, what need was there to conceive? And she went to consult the Lord."

Jb:31:15: "Did not he that made me in the womb make him also: and did not one and the same form me in the womb? "

Is:49:1: "Give ear, ye islands, and hearken, ye people from afar. The Lord hath called me from the womb, from the bowels of my mother he hath been mindful of my name."

[LetMarch]

Very Good !!!!Science will never catch, especially false science!

[aruanan]

Science Catches Up with Religion Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices

This story relates to my explanation of "abduction events" than either alien abductions or fallen angels. Note that many of these abduction tales have these common features:

1. The person awakens at night in his bedroom.
2. He is paralyzed.
3. He is borne along paralyzed somewhere in the night.
4. When he arrives it is to a brightly lighted room filled with strange objects and weird-looking genderless bald creatures that appear to be mostly big eyes.
5. They do medical things to him, painful things, that he is powerless to resist, often involving sharp pains to the abdomen and/or to the genitals.
6. He is eventually returned to his bed.

Another interesting tidbit is that, at least at the time I read it several year ago, among supposed abductees there were none that were born by Caesarian. All were vaginal deliveries. My explanation for alien abduction stories is that they are a combination of two things:

1. the mind awakening while the body is still in the paralyzed state characteristic of certain parts of the sleep cycle, and

2. a heavily-processed memory of one's earliest traumatic experience--being born.

The experience was, for some, so striking that memories were formed, but merely as sensory images with virtually no intellectual context since the infant had not yet developed a sophisticated means of explaining his world to himself, and accompanied by feelings of pain (which is hardwired) and fear (which depends only on a sudden unexpected change of environment especially when accompanied by pain, such as being expelled from the womb) which are known to be effective agents for imprinting sensory memory. The processing comes in later when the sensory memory for some reason returns. And perhaps it is this trauma bridging the two locations of pre and post birth that serves to result in a lasting neural imprint of the sensory input. It would be interesting to see if there is a greater number of 'abductees' who were born to mothers undergoing 'natural' childbirth without drugs for pain and in hospital than to those who were heavily sedated (which can affect the unborn infant as well).

4. When he arrives it is to a brightly lighted room filled with strange objects and weird-looking genderless bald creature s that appear to be mostly big eyes.

He comes into a brightly lighted and noisy delivery room. He sees brightly lighted objects. He sees people moving around. Both the doctors and nurses are clothed pretty much the same, gender-revealing features being obscured by masks, gowns, and caps. Just about the only facial features easily seen, and therefore made all the more prominent, are the eyes. The significance of eyes also seems to be hardwired, depending little on any advanced levels of cognition (viz, the supposed effectiveness of what appear to be eyes in protective coloration)

5. They do medical things to him, painful things, that he is powerless to resist.

Medical procedures are done to him: his umbilical cord is severed. He may have blood drawn. He is given a series of reflex tests. If he's a boy, he is often circumcised. He can do nothing to stop it.

6. He is eventually returned to his bed.

After all the light, noise, and pain, he is bundled up and placed in a relatively quiet nursery and in an unmoving, still bed-quite unlike the warm and gurgling place the womb was. Into a bed, in fact, quite like the one he is experiencing in his conscious state of sleep paralysis. He falls back asleep and eventually wakens. If he remembers anything at all,it is recast in terms of his current beliefs and imagery.


Given this scenario, we would expect to find abduction stories most often among those who were born in hospitals under conditions of light or no sedation (or at least given to the mother late enough in the delivery to miminally impact the infant) and who also, perhaps, are narcoleptic and during a time in history and in countries in which there is a cultural mythology about aliens and abductions.

And it's interesting to note that a lot of these abduction stories are not spontaneous recollections but are elicited through hypnosis, a state in which a person can become hyper-aware of memories** as well as very open to suggestion. If the operator or the subject (but especially if both) has already assumed that such abductions are real, then it is all the more likely that any such remnant memory of birth would be reinterpreted according to the imagery of abduction stories known to either or both.


* Several other symptoms commonly occur with narcolepsy:

Sleep attacks(short, irresistible episodes of sleep during the day).

Sleep paralysis (the inability to move while going to sleep or waking up).

Hypnagogic hallucinations (intense visual or auditory experiences at the beginning or end of a sleep period that are hard to distinguish from reality and are sometimes terrifying).

Disturbed night time sleep (tossing and turning in bed, leg jerking, nightmares, and frequent awakenings).

**The recall of memory under hypnosis appears to be more like that caused during brain surgery in which memories are triggered in an almost holographic recall instead of as an intellectual Cliff's note summary of the memory, more typical of waking recollection.

[presently no screen name]

Yes, very good! More Scriptures than I realized. The Holy Spirit come upon St.John the Baptist in the womb that he leaped for joy! That is so cool. As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. And that should clear up any misinformation that babies cannot hear!