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Bio: Mary Jo Kopechne
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Posted on 08/29/2009 3:09:07 PM PDT by ETL

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To: Albion Wilde

We are all *Sinners* we all fall short to the glory of GOD and need redemption...GOD sees anger,hate and muder the same....I see nothing in scripture that tells me GOD rates sins..He rates our belief in the Saviour Jesus Christ and the sincerity of our heart....

That is why we have to watch on how we *Judge* others because only GOD can know the faith of Man’s heart not us.


121 posted on 08/30/2009 2:33:08 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
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To: RetiredArmy

How do you know this???I as a Christian am trying to understand people who say they know someone is going to hell?

Wether Ted Kennedy or a Murderer on Death Row or the Angry neighbor who beats his wife and kicks his dog...

Do we have the right to *Judge* a person’s immortal soul?

If I missed something in scripture please let me know, as I just see this type of *Judgement* as a great dis-service to GOD and ourselves as sinners....

Final judgement for human character is in the presence of the Man, Christ Jesus. God has appointed all judgment unto the Son, because He is the Son of Man (John 5:27). He is therefore in Himself the supreme and final judge of human character. And, of course, there can be only one of two verdicts - right or wrong, righteous or wicked.

The middle verdict of non proven will never have to be passed. In relationship to Christ we are either righteous or wicked

Acute Suffering in Soul or Spirit. an act of final separation; ‘He shall separate the one from the other’; deprivation; ‘Take therefore the talent from him’; finality; no hint of a reversal.

The Authority To Forgive Sins (Matthew 9:1-8)

Are the judgments of God permanent? Isaiah says, “When Your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness” (Isa. 26:9). And Mat. 12:20 says, “A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench, till He send forth judgment unto victory.” Judgment, therefore, is not an eternal condition, but it is given to produce that victory.

Judgments of themselves do not save anyone, but they are used by God to bring one to one’s self, to effect a change of attitude and will, to consume away the stubbornness and rebellion of men. Punishment by fire is a beneficent one. “Our GOD is a consuming fire” (Heb. 12:29).

The basic purpose of this divine fire of God is to cleanse, purify, purge, temper and change. It is to rid of impurities, of filth, of undesirable elements. There is no better way to deal with filth than to deal with it by fire


122 posted on 08/30/2009 2:50:38 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
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To: ETL

Mary Jo, you saved the country from drowning in an ocean of grief. I’m sure that was poor consolation to your loved ones, but if not for your untimely death, we might have had Ted Kennedy as president, and even for one single four-year term, that possibility was horrible to contemplate. Thank you for saving us from that drunken boor. Sorry he took your life, though.


123 posted on 08/30/2009 2:56:04 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html, http://sites.google.com/site/thevuzvuz/)
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To: Kimberly GG

Did you tell your sons about Ted getting expelled from Harvard for cheating? I told my grandson and he had never
heard about it.


124 posted on 08/30/2009 3:50:52 PM PDT by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: browardchad
Why so?

because I don't like you putting words into my mouth. I didn't assess blame, just an opinion of what happened.

125 posted on 08/30/2009 3:51:52 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: TaraP
We are all *Sinners* we all fall short to the glory of GOD and need redemption...GOD sees anger,hate and muder the same....I see nothing in scripture that tells me GOD rates sins..He rates our belief in the Saviour Jesus Christ and the sincerity of our heart.... That is why we have to watch on how we *Judge* others because only GOD can know the faith of Man’s heart not us.

See post 109.

126 posted on 08/30/2009 3:53:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: tflabo
I do too. No one should ever wish someone to go to Hell.

I spoke with a man who was a pastor for 47 years. During that time, he witneesed to thousands of people who were sick or close to death. Do you know how many "death bed conversions" he said he had in all that time?

Two.

Unless Kennedy accepted Christ during his last days on earth, then the Bible tells us what his fate was.

127 posted on 08/30/2009 4:28:31 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Albion Wilde

Amen..Great post....

The truth of Scripture and redemption...


128 posted on 08/30/2009 5:12:13 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
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To: Albion Wilde
The True Crime Mag link pants a forgiving picture for Kennedy that even has me backing up from my accusations (and that's HUGE). Since you posted this link, what is your opinion?

Why have I never heard of the Markham and Gargan involvement before?
129 posted on 08/30/2009 8:30:02 PM PDT by RushingWater
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The story of Mary Jo.......and all of her early struggles....and those of her parents should have been broadcast all day on Fox News yesterday. They should have also broadcast Bob Schindler's passing....all day; every good thing he stood for.

Instead, the insipidness of the Kennedy funeral was all day.

Terrible day. Hopefully the ratings will show that less than 10 people watched that fluff.

130 posted on 08/30/2009 8:32:50 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: yarddog

“Interestingly JFK would probably be considered fairly conservative today.”

To the right of many of today’s RINOS, and Sphinktor makes JFK look like a Reagan.


131 posted on 08/30/2009 8:45:44 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: RushingWater
The True Crime Mag link pants a forgiving picture for Kennedy that even has me backing up from my accusations (and that's HUGE). Since you posted this link, what is your opinion?

We may never know. The entire episode was of a different, pre-CSI era. He may actually have blocked it all out. People, technology and the nation were very different then -- simpler and more gullible; so the events are as shrouded in mystery as the events of John Kennedy's death. Did they search for vomit? Use a rape kit? Look for Kennedy's skin cells or hairs under her nails? None of these things.

But in all the ensuing years, neither Kennedy nor the Kopechnes nor the Democrat apparatus, which certainly includes the press, has ever wanted an investigation to be reopened and the hard questions reconsidered. The press has spent less serious skepticism on it than they did on Palin's wardrobe. These were the pre-victimization days, the pre-ACLU era, the days when people still tried to hush up a scandal rather than flaunt it.

The article strains to find the very best possibility that can be found; even then, it condemns him for not reporting the accident promptly. So even if every possible innocent explanation can be put forward, things just don't add up. The best that can possibly be said is that drinking and partying between married men and young single women is a stupid thing for a politician to do; because if an accident happens, it will look so bad that you might as well have killed her on purpose. But even this explanation doesn't satisfy. The only conclusion I can come to is that the man lacks proper moral development, and behaved the way your dog does when he does something "bad" by your standards because he's an animal, and then you yell. He has no idea what he did, but he knows he must please you so he hangs his head anyway, because it's expected of him.

Kennedy just put it behind him and moved on with his obsessions about liberal morality, which is a very poor substitute for the real thing. Did he know more than he was saying? I don't know. But I suspect he had the approximate moral development of O.J. Simpson. He was a stunningly attractive man, adulated and shielded from reality throughout his life. No one else was going to hold his feet to the fire; why should he fall on his sword? His compromise was in accepting that he could not run for president. But that does not rise to the level of moral accountability. I think his moral development was like that of a 12-year-old.


Why have I never heard of the Markham and Gargan involvement before?

Maybe you aren't old enough to have remembered those details that were, again, quickly swept under the MSM rug. The commie machine was very, very busy at the time objecting to the war in Vietnam and preparing the ground for the Kerrys of this world to engage in anti-war histrionics, and also to search for an impeachable offense in the Nixon years. It was more important to ignore the log in their man's eye so they could denounce the speck in the Republicans' eye. In a few more years, millions of aborted babies and war-torn Vietnamese would die. But the Kennedys must never be held accountable.

132 posted on 08/30/2009 9:46:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: SkyPilot
Amen. A great verse, and a great comparison of Ted Kennedy facing the Lake of Fire.

"It is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgement". Ted Kennedy rejected God's love & mercy & free gift of salvation, and failed to ask God's forgiveness for his sin while in this life. The instant his soul left his body, he was face to face with God, and will now face God's righteous judgement & wrath & eternal damnation in Hell.

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133 posted on 08/30/2009 9:49:22 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: browardchad

A gross miscarriage of justice, by the local officials & corrupt judge to allow Ted Kennedy to walk. I have a feeling everyone that covered for Ted Kennedy’s murder of Mary Jo Kopechne will roast in Hell alongside of killer Ted Kennedy.


134 posted on 08/30/2009 10:02:43 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: GregB
I wonder if he made a joke about her at the Pearly Gates?

I doubt God is as impressed as CNN...

135 posted on 08/30/2009 10:03:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (What's Socialism ??: "Envy" gussied up as a political cause...... David Horowitz)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"He didn't get anywhere near those pearly gates."

Do you possess info on everyone's Salvation, or just that of Ted Kennedy?

136 posted on 08/30/2009 10:03:55 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Exeter

What ended up happening was awful, but I don’t think the boiler room girls were naive, perhaps infatuated by power and thoughts that the married men were not all that attached to their marriages, IOW both sides thinking maybe they could get lucky in different ways.

I have never heard what happened to any of the characters in this except Teddy.


137 posted on 08/31/2009 5:07:16 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: ETL

Kennedy was with a single woman - driving off the main road to go to a deserted beach - had been at a party with 8 young single women and 8 married men - without their wives - and drives off a bridge - - the young woman dies and Kennedy doesn’t call authorities until enough time as gone by for an alcohol test to be meaningless... yeah, no one will ever know... right.


138 posted on 08/31/2009 7:31:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (What's Socialism ??: "Envy" gussied up as a political cause...... David Horowitz)
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To: Kimberly GG

I just this weekend explained Maryjo to my 14 year old.


139 posted on 08/31/2009 8:39:58 AM PDT by angcat (GO YANKEES! I LOVE MY YANKEES!!!!!!!!!)
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To: cradle of freedom

How did he get out of the car?


140 posted on 08/31/2009 6:17:05 PM PDT by mel
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