Posted on 08/30/2009 12:03:09 AM PDT by Deo volente
Are these the Santa Ana winds? Or is it too early for that?
So you are talking about the majority of the US. Some part of the US has all of those hazards. CA is subject to forest fires, floods, earthquakes and , rarely, tornadoes. Do you think the whole state should just depopulate and leave CA to the wilderness? Acts of nature occur all over. Following your advice would mean that 99.5% of the US should just move out.
very odd fire spreading fast with little wind
no santa anna yet
Answering for her, I will tell you that the EPA, both state and fed, keeps people from cutting tress, and sometimes even brush, on their own property let alone on public lands. We have let ourselves be controlled by fools instead of listening to our common sense and telling these people where to shove it.
My nephew lived in Montana during the time that was taken and it has always been one of our “favorite” fire photos...wonder what that scene looks like now.
Polly
This is California. The lawyers circling overhead would claim that the release form was too ambiguous or that the folks that signed them did not really understand the risks. Some court would accept that crock and allow the suit to proceed. That happens when you have a huge surplus of hungry lawyers.
No, it has. Just not in over twenty years. My house was one block from the edge of Angeles Crest in Sunland. An elderly neighbor of ours once told us of a huge fire that had burned nearly all of the homes on the last block.
I forget what part of the state you live in...are you and your family ok?
There are at least two opposing views on that.
One view says that we've done too much to stop the natural burn cycle of forests, which has allowed unprecedented levels of tinder to build up in them. Naturally, when a fire finally does break out, it's much bigger than it might ordinarily be, because of man's interference.
The US Forest Service has been fighting fires and clearing brush for much longer than the enviro-wacko movement's been around.
Still, I know that the greenies have turned forest management into a quasi-religious issue, and have brought great pressure to bear on governmental authorities to leave "Mother Gaia" alone.
In my view, if we're going to have people inhabiting areas close to national forests, then it only makes sense to manage the brush and tinder levels around them. We can't remove all risk for people, but we can use plain horse sense about it.
It's also behaving like a wind-driven fire even though there are no Santa Ana winds right now. What you've got is a combination of very high temperatures, low humidity, and brush that hasn't burned in many decades.
AH OK, I have an uncle in sunland, aunt in Tujunga, and mom in montrose.. I just dont remember when that area last burned..
California and other western states are always vulnerable to these wildfires. People talk about Calif. earthquakes but fire is a constant danger too.
Calif. needs ongoing fire management and brush and wildland management.
If brush and other fire dangers aren’t cleared out continually, then mother nature will take care of it.
There’s got to be a way to control the risk of these fires. There must be something more that can be done.
Right, janet. KNX reported at 9:00 a.m. Station Fire 35,200 acres burned, 3 homes and 30 cabins, with Red Flag warnings until tonight. The fire has a 110 miles perimeter, there are 2,000 firefighters on the scene, mandatory evacuations continue and it is estimated the fire will burn until SEPTEMBER 8th.
Fatima, I can smell it now and the horizon all around is hazy.
Thank you for bringing facts into the thread. I have lived in SoCal nearly all of my life and I know that natural conditions lead to these fires. We have triple digit temps + single digit humidity + whatever brush is impossible to clear and that is the formula.
Thanks for thinking of us ... that's very kind of you but being as caring as you are, it isn't surprising at all.
G-d Bless you, Mom.
Amen.
Crisis on our National Forests Reducing the Threat of Catastrophic Wildfire [San Bernardino Fires]
A Burning Desire, A Critique of the Sierra Club Public Lands Fire Management Policy
Thanks for that link, Deo. I grew up in Altadena, and I saw that Millard Canyon was being evacuated from your map. My brother and little sister and I spent many days hiking and playing around up there , especially in upper Millard. We found the greatest natural waterslide there and spent many Summer days sliding down it until our pants were worn thru. There weren’t many fires then, there were big firebreaks all over the mountains.
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