Posted on 08/30/2009 4:31:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
Different Goliath. And besides, there is no mention of five brothers.
But, before we get off track again, how does all this relate to your alleged "fallen ones"? You still have not been able to make that connection.
Sure looks likes sons and brothers of Goliath.
The children of the fallen ones were the giants the old testament so how did they survive the flood? If all flesh had been destroyed? The only answer is the fallen ones the angles who gave up their first estate either returned or they were not considered flesh. Jude speaks of these fallen one who have been inprisioned under the earth.
I’m still not getting your point. Reference to a few odd looking men does not constitute a race of “fallen ones”.
The children of the fallen ones were the giants the old testament so how did they survive the flood? If all flesh had been destroyed?
What are you talking about? What “fallen ones”? Please connect the dots between giants and “fallen ones”.
The only answer is the fallen ones the angles who gave up their first estate either returned or they were not considered flesh. Jude speaks of these fallen one who have been inprisioned under the earth.
Let’s try it again. There are no “fallen ones” in any of the verses you have mentioned in conjunction with Goliath or anyone else. Only eight souls survived the Great Flood, Noah and his family.
where did these angels go?
Angels cannot go anywhere on their own accord. The angels who rebelled against God, led by Satan, were removed from heaven:
2 Peter 2:4 (New International Version)
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
Satan Lucifer was in the garden so your saying that the earth is hell?
Obviously not. We know that at the rebellion of Satan and his followers, he was cast out of heaven:
Revelation 12:7-9 (New International Version)
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
We also know Satan had some limited amount of mobility between heaven and earth, yet his power is clearly limited by God:
Job 1:6-7 (New International Version)
6 One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [b] also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Satan and his angels have had their powers limited by God, then released, as noted below:
Revelation 20:2-3,7-10
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So it appears that Satan and his minions, having been cast out of heaven, were allowed to roam the earth (In spirit form, not a physical body. These are the demons Jesus cast out of men to prove He was the Son of God.) and also have been bound in hell for a short time, now released for a short time, and have an eternal judgment where they will be ultimately locked in hell for eternity.
"He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"
Goliath et al has nothing to do with "fallen ones".
Then who were the offsprings of the fallen ones of Gen? The bible says they were giants and men of renown which is the heroes of mythology.
What "fallen ones" are you referring to? Please provide a Bible text to support you ideas.
Genesis Chapter 6, verses 1 through 4 mentions Nephilim:
"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.[5]
Yes, but where does it mention these phantom "fallen ones"?
who are the sons of God?
They are men, created in God’s image, in the line of Adam and Seth.
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