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To: Star Traveler
One thing He did not say was to take something away from someone else if it wasn’t yours and give it to the poor

Well, Jesus the Messiah of Israel did agree with gleaning,

The poster you respond to is correct. You are not to take from SOMEONE ELSE and give to the poor.There were always admonitions to personally help the poor...this is a far cry from forcible re-distribution by law.

In 1 Corinthians 16, Paul talks about a collection that was sent from the churches to the Jerusalem believers

Again, voluntary. Paul isn't forcibly taking it and re-distributing it.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel is coming back to set up a *one-world government*

Has nothing to do with this word gov't and its corruption because of political leaders.

44 posted on 08/30/2009 1:46:32 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

It was the law in regards to someone else’s field and them allowing others to come on the field that they own and allow them to pick the crops on that field. So, it was the law in regards to them...

In addition, there were also taxes that were required for the government and it was redistributed according to the requirements of the law...

Those were things that were required and done according to the law...

There were also other laws in regards to how people were supposed to handle their fields in the 7th year, i.e., not use them at all (again by law). And also there was the law that required people to forgive debt and the land was to revert back to the owner at the 50th year...

Those were all legitimate laws and they were supposed to be followed.


48 posted on 08/30/2009 1:53:42 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: what's up

Oh, and one more thing... in regards to the following you were saying — Again, voluntary. Paul isn’t forcibly taking it and re-distributing it.

No, the “church” (as established at Pentecost) was not to “require” believers to give to the church, but to give to the church as they felt led by God to do, and to do so cheerfully...

However, that’s the church. On the other hand, both Jesus and the Apostle Paul tells believers to pay taxes and to adhere to the government in what it tells you to do by their laws, as “government” is established by God for the good of society (paraphrasing Paul here...).

And so..., while the “church” is not to “extract taxes” and “redistribute” according to its goals and plans — the same is not said of the *government* of which Jesus was in complete agreement with, in terms of obeying it and paying taxes, along with the Apostle Paul saying the same thing.

The only area where they would depart from that, is if it had to do with preaching the Gospel message. They would not listen to any government authorities in telling them to *not* preach the Gospel. In that area, they were “on record” in the Bible as “obeying God rather than man” — but not in the area of the government in general, and following laws and taxes and so on. And *also* — according to Paul, they were not even supposed to violate the “law” in regards to “slaves” either. Paul only made a “request” to a slave-owner to give his slave freedom, but it was only a request and not a command from the Bible or the church. If he had kept the person as a slave, that would not have been something that could have been “ordered to be changed” by the church or an Apostle (or anything in the Bible).

So, while we do have a representative form of government, our democratic Republic (and others in the world in the past and now, don’t have them) — we can interact with that form of government and get it to do various things with the laws that it enacts according to our representation that we have.

But, Jesus the Messiah of Israel will have *no representative government* as He will be the authoritative and absolute ruler over all the nations of the world, during that time of the 1,000 year reign of His Kingdom on earth.


56 posted on 08/30/2009 2:12:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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