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To: Starman417; Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
The media just doesn't seem to understand that killing the elderly, sick and disabled is MURDER.

Thread by Starman417.

Newsweek Makes The Case For Killing Grandma

Newsweek, in all of its wisdom, is still arguing that Sarah Palin lied about the death panel provisions in ObamaCare, but we really should have a death panel anyways. The author of the below piece, Evan Thomas, writes that his 79 year old mother wanted to die but the doctors wouldn't let her because the assisted living facility she was staying at was sustained by Medicare. He didn't like this and muses on how we can fix health care in this country by, you guessed it, getting people into hospice care and out of hospitals. People need to die and just get it over with you see:

The idea that we might ration health care to seniors (or anyone else) is political anathema. Politicians do not dare breathe the R word, lest they be accused—however wrongly—of trying to pull the plug on Grandma. But the need to spend less money on the elderly at the end of life is the elephant in the room in the health-reform debate. Everyone sees it but no one wants to talk about it. At a more basic level, Americans are afraid not just of dying, but of talking and thinking about death. Until Americans learn to contemplate death as more than a scientific challenge to be overcome, our health-care system will remain unfixable.

Compared with other Western countries, the United States has more health care—but, generally speaking, not better health care. There is no way we can get control of costs, which have grown by nearly 50 percent in the past decade, without finding a way to stop overtreating patients. . .


44 posted on 09/13/2009 4:42:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This tribute to Bob Schindler brought tears to my eyes.

Thread by me.

Bob Schindler: A pro-Life hero


I received a telephone call telling me a friend died of a heart attack. His name was Bob Schindler. His death certificate may say he died of cardiac arrest but those of us who knew Bob know he really died of a broken heart.

I first met Bob, his wife Mary and their son Bobby in 2001 while I was in Charlotte, North Carolina to deliver the keynote address at the U.S. National Right to Life Prayer Breakfast. Bob and Mary’s daughter was Terri Schiavo. They approached me to ask for help to save Terri from being starved and dehydrated to death at a Florida hospice. Terri became Brain damaged after a supposed heart attack in 1990; it left her severely disabled. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, was seeking a court order to kill her by withholding food and water.

Initially the Schindler’s story seemed too incredible to believe, but they had a brief case filled with legal documents and local news clippings from the Tampa Bay area to back up their horrible but true story. It was the worst case of spousal abuse of a vulnerable mate I had ever encountered.

Terri Schiavo had a serious disability but she was not dying. She relied on a feeding tube but did not need a respirator or other means of artificial life support. Terri Schiavo had a normal life expectancy but her husband maintained she would not want to live in such a state of disability. There was no written document from Terri saying this, nor did she complete a living will laying out her wishes. Granted, she probably did not want to live with a disability. Nobody does. So what! I do not want to live with my serious disability but that does not mean I’m better off dead. Millions of people with severe disabilities live happy and vital lives.

Bob and Mary Schindler loved Terri and wanted to take her home and care for her. All that was needed was for her husband to agree and give up guardianship. He would not. He wanted her dead. Unfortunately, a Florida Judge by the name of George Greer agreed.

Terri did not need to die. Michael had moved on with his life, hooked up with a new woman, and even started a family with her. He was obviously in a conflict of interest regarding Terri Schiavo’s best interests. There were people who loved her and wanted to care for her but Michael would have none of it. He was determined she must die rather than live disabled.

At Bob’s request, I made desperate appeals to the Attorney General and Governor of Florida, and even to the White House to intervene and somehow stop the starvation and dehydration order. Appeals were even made to Canada’s Immigration minister to offer asylum to Terri Schiavo and her parents. A full team of medical professionals in Edmonton volunteered to care for her.

A groundswell of public support rose across North America to save Terri Schiavo as her plight became public. Even the Vatican weighed in to plead for Terri Schiavo’s life. It was to no avail.

On March 18th 2005, Terri’s gastric feeding tube was removed and her slow, torturous starvation and dehydration death began under a Florida court order. It took thirteen terrible days for her to die an agonizing death. All the Schindlers could do was watch. If Bob or Mary even raised an ice cube to her cracked lips, they would have been arrested on the spot by a burly police officer posted in the room to ensure nobody stopped the court sanctioned killing of Terri. If the Schindlers were arrested Terri would have died without them.

Looking back now, it’s hard to believe it actually happened in America ─ the land of freedom and liberty. But it did happen and media from around the world gathered outside the hospice where Terri was being killed to chronicle the deadly vigil. Christians and other people of good will gathered outside the hospice to protest the torture and murder of an innocent and defenceless woman, unable to speak or fight for herself. Terri Schiavo died on March 31st 2005.

I think it was too much for Bob. He had two strokes in 2006, then suffered from kidney failure and required regular dialysis. But with aggressive rehabilitation therapy and the ongoing support of his family, Bob began to rally. Lost function from his strokes started to slowly return and his kidneys started to work again. Then he went into cardiac arrest on August 29th 2009.

In the days after Bob Schindler’s death, I received an email from another friend of the Schindler family. It said, “If ever the prayer "may he rest in peace" applies, it must be for him.” Indeed it must.

Bob Schindler was an ordinary man ― an unassuming hero ― who fought desperately to save his brain-injured daughter from being killed. He left no legal or political stone unturned to bring her back to the safety, security and love of his home. He simply wanted to protect her from the clutches of a hostile and increasingly anti-disability culture. Bob and Mary Schindler shook America to its foundation and challenged its sense of right and wrong in starving and dehydrating to death severely brain injured people. The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation was formed to help other families protect their disabled loved ones.

Bob Schindler showed lesser ordinary men like me that we too can do extraordinary things if we throw caution to the wind for a cause we know to be right and true. Rest in peace my friend Bob Schindler. You made me proud to have known you. Rest in peace my friend.
Mark Pickup


45 posted on 09/13/2009 4:45:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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