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Bostonís Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....
CNSNews.com ^ | September 04, 2009 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 09/04/2009 12:31:55 PM PDT by kingattax

(CNSNews.com) - Cardinal Sean O’Malley, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Boston, wrote on Thursday that he confronted President Barack Obama on the question of abortion in the health care reform plan now before Congress when he spoke to Obama in a Boston church at Sen. Ted Kennedy’s funeral.

O’Malley made the revelation in a long blog posting on his archdiocesan Web site responding to Catholics who were distressed that he had taken part in a very public funeral Mass celebrating the life of Sen. Kennedy.

Kennedy supported legalized abortion (including legalized partial-birth abortion), federal funding for research that kills human embryos and same-sex marriage—positions that were in open defiance of the explicit teachings of the church.

“President Obama and three former presidents attended Senator Kennedy’s funeral,” wrote O’Malley. “I had the opportunity to speak briefly with President Obama, to welcome him to the Basilica and to share with him that the bishops of the Catholic Church are anxious to support a plan for universal health care, but we will not support a plan that will include a provision for abortion or could open the way to abortions in the future. The President was gracious in the short time we spoke, he listened intently to what I was saying.”

On August 11, Cardinal Justin Rigali, the archbishop of Philadelphia and chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Pro-Life Activities, wrote a letter to members of the U.S. House of Representatives stating that the House health care bill supported abortion and was unacceptable to Catholics.

“Because some federal funds are authorized and appropriated by this legislation without passing through the Labor/HHS appropriations bill, they are not covered by the Hyde amendment and other federal provisions that have long prevented federal funding of abortion and of health benefits packages that include abortion,” Rigali wrote.

“The committee rejected an amendment to extend this longstanding policy to the use of federal subsidies for health care premiums under this Act,” Rigali continued. “Instead the committee created a legal fiction, a paper separation between federal funding and abortion: Federal funds will subsidize the public plan, as well as private health plans that include abortion on demand; but anyone who purchases these plans is required to pay a premium out of his or her own pocket (specified in the Act to be at least $1.00 a month) to cover all abortions beyond those eligible for federal funds under the current Hyde amendment. Thus some will claim that federal taxpayer funds do not support abortion under the Act. But this is an illusion. Funds paid into these plans are fungible, and federal taxpayer funds will subsidize the operating budget and provider networks that expand access to abortions. Furthermore, those constrained by economic necessity or other factors to purchase the ‘public plan’ will be forced by the federal government to pay directly and specifically for abortion coverage.”

While not mentioning Cardinal Rigali and the Catholic bishops, President Obama has said that those who say the health care bill funds abortion are lying.

In explaining his participation in Kennedy’s funeral mass, Cardinal O’Malley said it was “a great disappointment” to him that the senator supported the legalized killing of unborn children.

“Needless to say, the Senator’s wake and Catholic funeral were controversial because of the fact that he did not publically support Catholic teaching and advocacy on behalf of the unborn,” said O’Malley. “­­­Given the profound effect of Catholic social teaching on so many of the programs and policies espoused by Senator Kennedy and the millions who benefitted from them, there is a tragic sense of lost opportunity in his lack of support for the unborn. To me and many Catholics it was a great disappointment because, had he placed the issue of life at the centerpiece of the Social Gospel where it belongs, he could have multiplied the immensely valuable work he accomplished.”

In an August 19 talk on BlogTalkRadio, President Obama said people who say that the health care bill involves government funding of abortion are liars.

“You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortion. Not true,” he said. “This is all--these are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation. And that is that we look out for one another. That I am my brother’s keeper and my sister’s keeper. And in the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call.”

In his August 22 weekly address, President Obama again attacked the truthfulness of those who point out that the health care reform bill would funnel federal tax dollars to abortions.

“So today, I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country,” said Obama. “… Some are also saying that coverage for abortions would be mandated under reform. Also false. When it comes to the current ban on using tax dollars for abortions, nothing will change under reform.”

Cardinal O’Malley did not indicate that President Obama made any response to him in the church at Sen. Kennedy’s funeral when he brought up the issue of abortion in the health care bill. He only said the president was “gracious” and “listened intently.”

Obama also delivered a eulogy for Sen. Kennedy at the funeral, which was held at the Basilica of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Boston.

“Ted Kennedy's life work was not to champion the causes of those with wealth or power or special connections. It was to give a voice to those who were not heard,” Obama said in that eulogy.

As a state senator in Illinois, Obama was the leading opponent of legislation that called for treating a child that survived an induced labor abortion as a “person” under Illinois law. As a presidential candidate, he vowed to Planned Parenthood that he would sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would enshrine abortion on demand in a federal statute. As president, he has approved federal funding for research that requires the killing of human embryos


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; cardinalomalley; catholic; kennedy; obama

1 posted on 09/04/2009 12:31:56 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

“The President was gracious in the short time we spoke, he listened intently to what I was saying.”

And then had a good laugh about it with his atheist Communist friends later...Catholics...how can they expect us to keep believing this horse shite that they really care about this? After they gave Ded Kennedy his annullment, they hold services for him in a church and then tut tut to the Commie in Chief...if they keep pursuing this belief with passion like this, the Catholic Church will be deader than Ted in a few more years...


2 posted on 09/04/2009 12:36:19 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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To: kingattax
Cardinal O’Malley did not indicate that President Obama made any response to him in the church at Sen. Kennedy’s funeral when he brought up the issue of abortion in the health care bill. He only said the president was “gracious” and “listened intently.”

IOW, no news at all.

3 posted on 09/04/2009 12:37:39 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (WORLD CHAMPIONS - Park View Little League - Chula Vista, CA !!!!!!)
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To: jessduntno

I call BS. He “confronted” Obama, but permitted and particpated in a funeral mass for Senator Kennedy, an actual professing Roman Catholic - unlike Obama - yet one of the most tireless advocates of abortion on demand for decades.

The Cardinal should get his story straight.


4 posted on 09/04/2009 12:38:35 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: kingattax
Why in heck would the Catholic Church allow the funeral of Kennedy in their church in the first place? As to Obama’s
reponse what would you expect from this snake oil salesman? If the church stood for anything they would have castigate the whole lot out on the street....the bunch of hypocrites....
5 posted on 09/04/2009 12:38:58 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: kingattax

When are these guys going to grow some cahones and start excommunicating pro-abortion Catholic politicians? What are they afraid of? They’re supposed to have God behind them.


6 posted on 09/04/2009 12:41:28 PM PDT by DRey
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To: kingattax

Obviously he didn’t spend much time counseling Teddy Kennedy about abortion. That he presided at at Teddy’s funeral was a mockery of Church teaching on abortion.


7 posted on 09/04/2009 12:42:26 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: elizabethgrace; wagglebee; woofie; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Petronski; shield; bray

~~PING!

Ted Kennedy’s *very* quiet Catholicism

###

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/teddy_kennedys_very_quiet_cath.html

Like a big lump of clay, Teddy Kennedy is being worked and reworked into an immortal. The mainstream media and other liberal apologists are seeing to the handiwork. They even want us to believe that Kennedy was squared with his Catholicism. But how could he be? He was unapologetically pro-abortion.

Time magazine gave it go, though. It published an article last week about Kennedy’s “quiet Catholic faith.” For a man so vocal about many things, he certainly did keep quiet about his faith. And with good reason.

Egregious apostasy was Teddy’s way.

On every major abortion vote, the late Senator walked lockstep with NARAL Pro-Choice America. Here’s the checklist:

* No on defining an unborn child as eligible for SCHIP;
* No on prohibiting minors to cross state lines for abortion;
* No on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions;
* No on criminal penalties for harming unborn fetus during other crime;
* No on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life;
* No on maintaining ban on military base abortions;
* No on banning human cloning;
* Yes on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines

((http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Ted_Kennedy_Abortion.htm))

The sanctity of innocent human life — the life of the unborn — is a bedrock principle of Roman Catholicism. It’s nonnegotiable. The Catechism of the Catholic Church reads, in part:

(2271) “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law...Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. [Italics added]

Not misdemeanors but abominable crimes, reads the Catechism. Abortion is not a gray area that leaves room for discretion and choice.

Having grown up in the church, and raised by a devout mother (Rose), Kennedy was steeped in the teachings and strictures of Catholicism.

His embracing abortion was a deliberate, conscious decision to turn his back on church teachings.

But prior to Kennedy making a break with the church, he was public in his opposition to abortion. In 1971 he wrote:

“While the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, it is my personal feeling that the legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life.

Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized — the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old.”

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Rest at link


8 posted on 09/04/2009 12:44:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: kingattax
and to share with him that the bishops of the Catholic Church are anxious to support a plan for universal health care

"bishops of the Catholic Church?" Two? Lots? All of them? Are there any bishops of the Catholic Church who aren't communists? Are there any that aren't stupid?

If there are any who aren't stupid, let's have them weigh in on this issue.

9 posted on 09/04/2009 12:47:30 PM PDT by stevem
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To: kingattax

Cardinal 0’Malley should have washed his hands of this funeral. If anyone deserved a Catholic funeral, it was NOT Ted Kennedy.


10 posted on 09/04/2009 12:49:02 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: kingattax

Reminds me of a story our priest told in a homily:

Napolian told a Cardinal of France. I hate the Catholic Church and I’m going to destroy it.”

The Cardinal replied, “Don’t be silly, my arrogant friend. We, Cardinals and Arch-Bishops, have been trying to destroy the church for 2000 years. We haven’t succeeded, and you won’t either.”


11 posted on 09/04/2009 12:49:19 PM PDT by stop_fascism (Georgism is Capitalism's best, last hope)
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To: DRey
What are they afraid of? They’re supposed to have God behind them.

If I was in such a position I would be far more fearful of what would be in store for me in the next life if I did not do my duty in that regard.

12 posted on 09/04/2009 12:50:19 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
"If I was in such a position I would be far more fearful of what would be in store for me in the next life if I did not do my duty in that regard"

Their lack of action further marginalizes their position. I'm not Catholic, but I dig this new Pope. He seems somehow more committed than the last (is that awful? If so, I apologize). I hope the Catholic church will dig in and clean house. These people that claim to be Catholic but refuse to walk the walk, and LEADING OTHERS TO FAIL THE WALK AS WELL, should be demonized, not protected. We all have some explaining to do to God -- I certainly do -- but then I have not been placed in such a position of influence and responsibility as these guys.
13 posted on 09/04/2009 12:58:26 PM PDT by DRey
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To: kingattax

The only Catholics that Obama cares about are the Kennedy Kafeteria Katholics of Amerika.


14 posted on 09/04/2009 1:11:53 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: kingattax; jessduntno; elizabethgrace; mvpel; Dem Guard; DRey; The Great RJ; STARWISE; stevem; ...
The following is the comment I sent to Sean O'Malley's blog. I don't know if it has appeared there or not: it's a moderated blog, and carries a message that my comment "is awaiting moderation".


Dear Cardinal O’Malley,

You are, I think, quite mistaken when you say that “the Senator’s wake and Catholic funeral were controversial because of the fact that he did not publically support Catholic teaching and advocacy on behalf of the unborn.”

The problem on Ted Kennedy’s side was NOT one of mere omission: he did NOT simply “fail to support” Catholic teaching. He was an active, vocal, and deadly opponent of human rights: one who stripped an entire class of persons of their human rights, their human dignity, and even their human identity.

The problem on the Church’s side was not that Kennedy was given a “wake and a Catholic funeral,” inasmuch as almost every Catholic would willingly bow the head and pray for a merciful judgment and the respose of his soul. The problem was the specifically ~honorific~ nature of the funeral observances, which had the look, the sound, and the aroma of a splendid and sumptuous, if spurious, canonization.

The stunning nature of Kennedy’s activism can be only summarized by reporting the nature of the crimes. Ted Kennedy:

Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for the SCHIP healthcare program.
(Bill S.Amdt.4233 to S.Con.Res.70 ; 3/14/2008)

Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for procuring the abortion of their offspring.
(Bill S.Amdt.4335 to S.Con.Res.70 ; 3/13/2008)

Voted YES on expanding destructive human experimentation to more embryonic stem cell lines.
(Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act; Bill S.5 & H.R.3 ; 4/11/2007)

Voted NO on notifying — even notifying! — the parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
(Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act; Bill S.403 7/25/2006)

Voted NO on criminal penalty for assaulting or slaying an unborn child during the commission of other crime.
(Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill S.1019/HR.1997 ; 3/25/2004)

Voted NO on banning the revoltingly cruel practice of partial birth abortion
(Bill S.3 ; 3/12/ 2003)

Voted NO on maintaining the ban on abortions at Military Bases
(Bill S 2549 ; 6/20/2000)

Voted NO (again!) on banning partial birth abortions.
(Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692; 10/21/1999)

Voted NO on banning human cloning.
(Motion to invoke cloture on motion S. 1601; Bill S. 1601 ; 2/11/ 1998)

May I say something about the public impact of the extravagantly honorific funeral observances? In comparison with the much more modest funeral of his honorable and edifying sister Eunice Kennedy Shriver, Ted Kennedy’s glorified exitus was seen by millions, tens of millions as a crescendo of politicized Alleluias and as a calculated case of exalting the exalted and humbling the humble.

The funeral ought to have been private, small, solemn, and heartfelt; it ought to have centered upon a plea to the Lord for “those most in need of Thy mercy”; and the media ought to have been banned. Scandal? Kyrie eleison, a millionfold.

15 posted on 09/04/2009 1:16:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: STARWISE
Hi Starwise,

Thank you for alerting me to the two articles.

His embracing abortion was a deliberate, conscious decision to turn his back on church teachings.

Yes, it was deliberate and many thanks are due Fr. Drinan(deceased '07), the shameful, pro-abortion priest who served in the House '71-'81. A priest on Raymond Arroyo's program last Friday, talked about Drinan's meeting with Teddy that convinced Teddy to go against the Church in support of abortion rights.

The priest went on to say (paraphrasing) "just think what could have been, had Kennedy stayed true to the Church? No, Biden's Kerry's Leahy's and other pro-abortion RC's. Kennedy gave them the courage and leadership to go against the Church."

I hope Drinan and Kennedy are having another meeting as I type. Maybe a fireside chat of sorts.

16 posted on 09/04/2009 1:21:19 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (WORLD CHAMPIONS - Park View Little League - Chula Vista, CA !!!!!!)
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To: kingattax
he listened intently to what I was saying

And then laughed his ass off at you when your back was turned.

17 posted on 09/04/2009 1:26:56 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hello Mrs. Don-o,

Thank you for pinging me to your letter to Cardinal O’Malley. It’s excellent and you highlighted my primary gripe: the public celebration of Kennedy.

It was a shameful display and a cause for confusion not only for Catholics but for non-Catholics as well. My sweet grandmother, who’s not one for suffering fools, fielded call after call asking if Kennedy was in Heaven by “her Church’s standards.”


18 posted on 09/04/2009 1:30:18 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (WORLD CHAMPIONS - Park View Little League - Chula Vista, CA !!!!!!)
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To: kingattax
In explaining his participation in Kennedy’s funeral mass, Cardinal O’Malley said it was “a great disappointment” to him that the senator supported the legalized killing of unborn children.

Wow. Disappointed. Careful Cardinal, that's awfully strong language. If Kennedy was only a disappointment, kind of like the kid who fails French, he still deserves a good Catholic funeral. Wouldn't want to talk about the sin of promoting the killing of the unborn, when it can so easily be called a disappointment.

19 posted on 09/04/2009 1:40:26 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: elizabethgrace

I agree .. missed that program. Whatever was
the justification that Drinan gave for such
despicable heresy ?


20 posted on 09/04/2009 1:41:06 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: LibFreeOrDie; kingattax; jessduntno; elizabethgrace; mvpel; Dem Guard; DRey; The Great RJ; ...
By the way, there's now 33 bishops on record opposing ObamaCare, and ---despite the bafflegab equivocation of many--- none (-0-) on record supporting healthcare reform "in its present form."

The 33 who have made statement in "prudential opposition", found at Ed Peters' "American Papist" blog, include:

Cardinal Justin Rigali of Philadelphia, PA and Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre, NY

Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, CO

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, NY

Bishop Walker Nickless of Sioux City, IA

Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo, ND

Bishop Richard Pates of Des Moines, IA

Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, KS and Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO

Archbishop John Nienstedt of St. Paul-Minneapolis, MN

Bishop Paul Loverde of Arlington, VA

Bishop Robert Guglielmone of Charleston, SC

Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH

Bishop Peter Jugis of Charlotte, NC and Bishop Michael Burbidge of Raleigh, NC

Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI

Bishop Blase Cupich of Rapid City, SD

Bishop Donald Trautman of Erie, PA

Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh, PA

Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, CT

Bishop Thomas Doran of Rockford, IL

Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson, NJ
Part II from Bishop Serratelli here

Bishop Anthony Taylor of Little Rock, AR

Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, WI

Bishop Paul Coakley of Salina, KS

Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, TX and Bishop Oscar Cantu of San Antonio, TX

Archbishop George Lucas of Omaha, NE

Bishop Alex Sample of Marquette, MI

Bishop Victor Galeone of St. Augustine, FL

Bishop David Choby of Nashville, TN

Bishop Gerald Barnes of San Bernardino, CA

Bishop Peter Sartain of Joliet, IL

Please send me tips to "thomas [at] americanpapist.com".
Thank you!

21 posted on 09/04/2009 1:42:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I want to see Cardinal George of Chicago,
who’s the head of the National Council of
Catholic Bishops, come out strong against
this.

He also needs to officially castigate Fr.
Pfleger for his heretical words and deeds.


22 posted on 09/04/2009 1:49:44 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Apparently, Drinan was one of the “enlightened.” He personally opposed abortion, (gee, how righteous and Catholic of him) but said the moral issue was separate from the legal.

___________________________________

I will paste wiki’s portion below: Robert Drinan

Drinan’s consistent support of abortion rights drew significant opposition from Church leaders throughout his political career, who had also repeatedly requested that he not hold political office in the first place.

Drinan attempted to reconcile his position with official Church doctrine by stating that while he was personally opposed to abortion, considering it “virtual infanticide,”its legality was a separate issue from its morality.

This argument failed to satisfy his critics. According to the Wall Street Journal, Drinan played a key role in the pro-choice platform becoming a common stance with politicians in the Kennedy family.

In 1980, Pope John Paul II unequivocally demanded that all priests withdraw from electoral politics. Drinan complied and did not seek reelection. “’It is just unthinkable,’ he said of the idea of renouncing the priesthood to stay in office. ‘I am proud and honored to be a priest and a Jesuit. As a person of faith I must believe that there is work for me to do which somehow will be more important than the work I am required to leave.’”

Following his death, members of Congress honored Drinan’s memory with a moment of silence on the House floor on January 29, 2007.


23 posted on 09/04/2009 1:50:37 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (WORLD CHAMPIONS - Park View Little League - Chula Vista, CA !!!!!!)
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To: elizabethgrace

Such disingenuous garbage ... he obviously
became more the politician, wandering far
from his priestly vows .. and I do remember
the sickening honor and vaulted status he
achieved by his fellow babykillers.

Wonder where he is now ?


24 posted on 09/04/2009 1:57:30 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: capydick

Cardinal O’Malley is a pretty straight shooter. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got up in Obama’s face - politely.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Obama “laughed his ass off...when (O’Malley’s) back was turned.”


25 posted on 09/04/2009 2:09:52 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right,...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: stevem

Whoever paid for your education is due a refund.


26 posted on 09/04/2009 2:12:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: STARWISE
Write him! E-mail him! Pray for him! Push him!

His Eminence Francis Cardinal George, OMI
Archdiocese of Chicago
P.O. Box 1979
Chicago, IL 60690-1979
phone: 312-751- 8200
email: mfox@archchicago.org

27 posted on 09/04/2009 2:14:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Another one of your intelligent and to-the-point posts.

You never fail us, and I thank God for that. :-)


28 posted on 09/04/2009 2:23:16 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

Thanks for the kind words.


29 posted on 09/04/2009 2:26:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


30 posted on 09/04/2009 3:00:48 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellent.


31 posted on 09/04/2009 3:09:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kingattax

Note: when you agree to play chess with the devil, he will win every time.


32 posted on 09/04/2009 3:11:12 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("it can never happen here.")
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To: kingattax
"...had he placed the issue of life at the centerpiece of the Social Gospel where it belongs, he could have multiplied the immensely valuable work he accomplished.”

Ha, yeah. Instead of having the opposite effect.

33 posted on 09/04/2009 3:13:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("it can never happen here.")
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To: kingattax

Good thing Kennedy was buried at Arlington National because if he didn’t confess to the sin of murder and ask for forgiveness, would that have caused a problem being buried in a Catholic cemetery?


34 posted on 09/04/2009 4:03:32 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: stop_fascism

“We, Cardinals and Arch-Bishops, have been trying to destroy the church for 2000 years. We haven’t succeeded, and you won’t either.”

Good one! All the human frailty in the world can’t bring down the Catholic Church. Christ prayed to the Father that it would last to the end of time.


35 posted on 09/04/2009 5:14:43 PM PDT by Melian ("An unexamined life is not worth living." ~Socrates)
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To: DRey

You are very wise, DRey. This Catholic thanks you.


36 posted on 09/04/2009 5:16:52 PM PDT by Melian ("An unexamined life is not worth living." ~Socrates)
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To: kingattax

O’Malley like so many of our illustrious and courageous bishops misses the point. It is IRRELEVANT to Kenndedy’s funeral whether or not he was repentent before his death and confessed his sins. That is a PRIVATE affair. What disqualifies him from a PUBLIC funeral is the fact that Kennedy was a prominent (in some people’s eyes) PUBLIC figure and because he was a PUBLIC figure, his being a so-called Catholic and advancing PUBLIC support for abortion (a heinous sin in the Catholic Church) caused a PUBLIC scandal and a scandal within the Church itself. It was these PUBLIC positions on abortion that REQUIRED Kennedy to make a PUBLIC declaration of disavowing his PUBLIC position before he would warrant a PUBLIC funeral. Please, someone get this message to O’Malley before he plans the funerals for Biden and Pelosi.


37 posted on 09/04/2009 5:22:04 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o, by their fruits you will know them. Looking at those two funerals, I would say Eunice was the real Catholic. Her funeral was dignified, traditional, and humble. She went to her maker in quiet Catholic humility, despite her “birthright.”

Teddy got all his glory here on Earth. He squeezed every ounce of favor and special treatment he could out of being a Kennedy. That funeral squeezed the last drop of celebrity and pomp out of his existence. It was a showy farce presided over by a faux Catholic. There aren’t really even supposed to be eulogies at a Catholic funeral. You do that at the Rosary vigil the night before. Having Obama speak was the unmistakable sign that this whole funeral, and that whole life, was an empty spiritual exercise.

I don’t know how God will judge Teddy or if he went to Hell, but I know he didn’t have a good grasp on what it means to be Catholic.


38 posted on 09/04/2009 5:26:36 PM PDT by Melian ("An unexamined life is not worth living." ~Socrates)
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To: kingattax
The Bishops are starting to get some spine! Keep praying for them to speak out against Obamacare.

Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

39 posted on 09/04/2009 6:05:09 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: kingattax

Please, what nonsense.

Go look at the Cardinal’s blog.

In the adoring entries you’ll find the answer to the question: I wonder what the old Holy Name Society and Ladies’ Guild members would do if they ever figured out how computers worked?

He usually writes about the architecture of a church in West Roxbury or how nice the chicken salad was at some convent jubilee.

For years, NEVER a confrontation with either Kennedy or Kerry or, while he lived, the despicable Drinan.

And I saw the “confrontation” with Obama before the funeral.

It didn’t exactly look like Leo the Great facing Atilla the Hun.

As a priest once said to me, “Obeying these guys is one thing, but respecting them ....?”


40 posted on 09/04/2009 7:30:42 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: stop_fascism

Here’s another great quote, even if attributed to the Modernist, Alfred Loissy:

“Every Sunday, 30,000 sermons are preached in France ... and STILL the people believe!”


41 posted on 09/04/2009 7:35:26 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: socialismisinsidious


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42 posted on 09/04/2009 8:31:36 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Melian

I agree. The contrast between Eunice and Ted couldn’t have been more stark.


43 posted on 09/05/2009 4:15:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This is a superb response. I stopped paying much attention to the hierarchy of the United States Catholic Church at least in the early 1990's, probably long before that. The bishops have tacitly supported abortion by actively supporting so many liberal and socialist ideas for so long.

I confess to not knowing much about O'Malley. In the case of Kennedy v. The Human Race and O'Malley supporting socialized health care, he comes across as stupid. Is he that stupid?

44 posted on 09/06/2009 8:11:03 AM PDT by stevem
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To: stevem

I don’t know. See tagline.


45 posted on 09/06/2009 10:23:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: mvpel

I was at a antigay marriage rally on the Common a few years ago, with his Public Speaking Voice he probably put ossama to sleep.

The dear Cardinal is about as inspirational as an Undertaker.


46 posted on 09/06/2009 10:31:17 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: stevem

If you want to send a response to Cardinal O’Malley, I find that his blog is no longer accepting comments. You can send a statement to the Chancellor of the Archdiocese and ask him to forward it to the Cardinal.

The chancellor’s email is accessed from this website: http://tinyurl.com/nlraqs


47 posted on 09/06/2009 11:30:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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