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Government Health Care? Not on Your Life!
Dakota Voice ^ | 9/3/09 | Bob Ellis

Posted on 09/06/2009 11:12:30 AM PDT by wagglebee

In recent weeks one of the many problems Americans have had with plans for the federal government to take over the health care industry has had to do with life and death issues such as rationing, euthanasia and “death panels.”

The socialists pushing government health care have tried very hard to whitewash these concerns, but to little avail.  Even the elderly (who are often solid Democrat supporters because of their addiction to the government largess they already enjoy in programs like Social Security and Medicare) are deserting the Temple of Government in droves; apparently the thought of euthanasia and rationing scares them more than the blessings of the Government god draws them.

Despite those attempts to whitewash this very real concern, the information continues to come in to substantiate those fears.

Consider the latest from the British Telegraph about patients under Britain’s National Health Service (NHS) wrongly determined to be close to death…and thus prime candidates to be written off by the government health care system:

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.

But this approach can also mask the signs that their condition is improving, the experts warn.

As a result the scheme is causing a “national crisis” in patient care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative care experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.

“Forecasting death is an inexact science,”they say. Patients are being diagnosed as being close to death “without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.

“As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients.”

The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients Association estimated that up to one million patients had received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
The scheme, called the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP), was designed to reduce patient suffering in their final hours.

Dr Hargreaves elaborates further:

He added that some patients were being “wrongly” put on the pathway, which created a “self-fulfilling prophecy” that they would die.

He said: “I have been practising palliative medicine for more than 20 years and I am getting more concerned about this “death pathway” that is coming in.

“It is supposed to let people die with dignity but it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“Patients who are allowed to become dehydrated and then become confused can be wrongly put on this pathway.”

This perfectly illustrates one of the many fears people have about this aspect of government health care systems.

Whether the doctors and “death panels” and others involved in life and death decisions really do buy into the “death culture” mentality or not, government bureaucracy and inefficiency has a way of doing essentially the same thing as an intentional decision.

But then, we know from experience and their own statements that there are many out there–even so-called “ethicists”–who have no reservations about shoving the elderly, disabled and others they deem “nonproductive” out of the way.

Many of us also remember that it wasn’t too terribly long ago that government actively gave hearty approval to the murder of a disabled woman whose disconnected “husband” considered inconvenient.

Government health care?  Not on your life!



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; moralabsolutes; obamacar; prolife
Whether the doctors and “death panels” and others involved in life and death decisions really do buy into the “death culture” mentality or not, government bureaucracy and inefficiency has a way of doing essentially the same thing as an intentional decision.

Exactly!

1 posted on 09/06/2009 11:12:31 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/06/2009 11:13:21 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 09/06/2009 11:13:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The ONE addresses the American People about HEALTHCARE!!!!

4 posted on 09/06/2009 11:24:55 AM PDT by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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For anyone who doubts that "death panels" will exist under rationing, they need to review their history...the following is from www.davita.com. on the history of dialysis.

In 1962, Scribner started the world’s first outpatient dialysis facility. Immediately the problem arose of who should be given dialysis, since demand far exceeded the capacity of the six dialysis machines at the center. In another brilliant move, Scribner decided that the decision about who would receive dialysis and who wouldn’t—a matter of life and death for the patients involved—would not be made by him. Instead, the choices would be made by an anonymous committee composed of local residents from various walks of life plus two doctors who practiced outside of the kidney field. Although his decision caused controversy at the time, it was the creation of the first bioethics committee, which changed the approach to accessibility of health care in this country.

Similar committees exist today to decide who should be put on the list for scarce transplants like livers. If you need a transplant, but don't have the correct "profile", you die. By order of the Committee.

5 posted on 09/06/2009 11:27:46 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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6 posted on 09/06/2009 4:33:57 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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7 posted on 09/07/2009 12:47:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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9 posted on 09/08/2009 10:16:38 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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