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To: Reagan Man
the federal government should NOT make nation building mandatory. As always, the notion of spreading real democracy to the Islamic world remains a fallacy.

Very interesting article by McCarthy that goes in a hundred directions. I agree with the FReeper who pointed out that promoting representative government in the world is in fact in our national interest. The reason is that it promotes commerce, order, and civilization, and reduces terrorism and other weird acts by that means, pace Mr. McCarthy, and promotes the wealth and prosperity of Americans.

It was nation-building that de-fanged Japan and Germany; and in the case of Japan, fundamentally helped develop their culture. Nation-building created an ally (Japan, at least so far) and a more-or-less ally (Germany). The problem is the incredible cost.

So, where we can't afford to build them up, I guess we need to make sure to grind 'em down real good. Can we make a national policy out of that?

6 posted on 09/07/2009 12:19:33 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot
Even though McCarthy's article is a bit repetitive, its well focused nonetheless. Both McCarthy and Mark Levin's piece from today make great points by using plain old common sense.

Again. If America is attacked its in our best interests to react accordingly. The Constitution grants our elected and appointed officials the power to protect and defend the people. So, on that we can agree.

The problem always arises when peoples good intentions cross the line and get in the way of common sense values.

Following WWII, Japan and Germany were a thoroughly beaten people who where left with nothing. They had the capacity, however, to understand the choices they faced. Continuing to follow an historic course of extreme nationalism, based on imperialism and fascism was not an option. The same can't be said for Islam.

There is no comparison between Japan and Germany, and the followers of Mohammad's Islamic religion. Islam is based on 1400 years of religious fanaticism. In fact, Muslim's for all intent and purposes are still living in the 7TH century AD. Clearly, they have a long way to go.

The Founding Father supported nation building. As in the expansion of America --- aka. manifest destiny. But I seriously doubt they would support the USA getting involved in nation building as general policy. And I'm quite sure they wouldn't support America being the policeman to the world either. That is part of the liberal philosophy and in stark contrast to conservatism and the Constitution.

21 posted on 09/07/2009 1:07:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SamuraiScot
It was nation-building that de-fanged Japan and Germany; and in the case of Japan, fundamentally helped develop their culture. Nation-building created an ally (Japan, at least so far) and a more-or-less ally (Germany).

Japan and Germany were advanced nations at the time. Comparing them to the Middle East is specious.

It's time to bring our troops home and start drilling for oil here and stop allowing Muslims to immigrate here and spread their noxious beliefs. Isolate the Middle East completely.

24 posted on 09/07/2009 1:29:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: SamuraiScot

We defanged Germany and Japan, but Germany was a western nation and in Japan, did not the Emperor, practically a god in Japan, tell his people to cooperate with the US?

Is there any Islamic leader in Iraq or Afghanistan whose cult is the equivalent of Hirohito? that would extend even to Iran and the rest of the Islamic world?

Bush’s presidency and Republican congress was horribly wasted on many things, among them the idea of bringing democracy to Islamic nutjob nations with the blood of the best of America.

The biggest threat to the USA is not Islamic terrorism anyway; it’s the national socialism of the Democrats and the nation cries for a leader with the charisma and the guts, and smarts to press a full court press against the Libturds and media lackeys on behalf of the working people


28 posted on 09/07/2009 3:17:28 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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