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Doctors told me it was against the rules to save my premature baby
UK Daily Mail ^ | 9/9/09 | Vanessa Allen

Posted on 09/09/2009 10:56:05 AM PDT by BigEdLB

Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday. Sarah Capewell begged them to save her tiny son, who was born just 21 weeks and five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early. They ignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following national guidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medical treatment.

Miss Capewell, 23, said doctors refused to even see her son Jayden, who lived for almost two hours without any medical support. She said he was breathing unaided, had a strong heartbeat and was even moving his arms and legs, but medics refused to admit him to a special care baby unit.

Miss Capewell is now fighting for a review of the medical guidelines.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: communismkills; culturewar; deathpanels; donoharm; healthcare; nhs; obamacare; preemies; socialism; socializedmedicine
When did British doctors become savages?
1 posted on 09/09/2009 10:56:07 AM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: BigEdLB

Sickening.

Haven’t you heard, though, it’s NICE.


2 posted on 09/09/2009 10:57:43 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: BigEdLB

i am further embarrassed at the country of my youth


3 posted on 09/09/2009 10:57:53 AM PDT by Fali_G (When they come for the Jews, someone please shelter me in their cellar (NY - 2009))
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To: BigEdLB
When did British doctors become savages?

When they became employees of the Labour (socialist) Party.

4 posted on 09/09/2009 10:58:52 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: FourPeas
Sickening. Haven’t you heard, though, it’s NICE.

NICE is an acronym for ObamaCare death panels, withholding needed technology and medications.

5 posted on 09/09/2009 11:00:51 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

It’s for the common good, don’cha know?


6 posted on 09/09/2009 11:02:18 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: BigEdLB

The doctors don’t make the rules - they would have probably been at risk of losing their jobs for wasting too many resources if they tried to support this baby. Put the blame where it lies, and see the face of what rationed health care will look like when our Marxists have their way. Doctors have been virtually locked out of the current debate.


7 posted on 09/09/2009 11:03:56 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: FourPeas

We must do it for the CHILDREN!


8 posted on 09/09/2009 11:03:56 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: BigEdLB

I gave birth to twin girls in 1988 - they were due on September 21st and were born July 7, 2009.

Rebecca, 1 pound 8 oz. at her birth, died four weeks after she was born.

Rebecca, 2 pounds 11 oz. at her birth, is now 21 years old and doing quite well, thank you!

Born at Kaiser Permanente, Oakland, California.

They did all they could to save the girls. You wouldn’t believe the tiny little babies that are in that Intensive Care Unit — Rebecca was not the smallest, by far!


9 posted on 09/09/2009 11:06:02 AM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: BigEdLB

Murder most foul...

Colonel, USAFR


10 posted on 09/09/2009 11:10:57 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: BigEdLB
Having worked in a NICU for many years....I have some experience here.

We had a "rule" that a baby less than 25 weeks, or less than 450 grams in weight was probably not viable.

And usually those babies that met those two "rules" were stillborn with no signs of life.

I did attend a couple births that the baby cried and we did what we do. We tended to them.....with the best care possible to them.

I personally many years ago had a baby born at 22 weeks....that was stillborn. It happens.....And it still hurts my heart to even think about it.....

FWIW-

11 posted on 09/09/2009 11:11:03 AM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: FourPeas

No such thing as “death panels,” though. Nuh-uh, no sir. Panels of bureaucrats setting the 22-week rule? Pay no attention.


12 posted on 09/09/2009 11:11:31 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: BigEdLB
This would certainly be acceptable in Obama’s Death-care plan, based on his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
13 posted on 09/09/2009 11:22:51 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Barack Obama does not believe in civil rights for ALL human beings. He essentially said that he did not want to bestow “personhood” on an infant born alive following a botched abortion.

Once the child has been delivered “alive” there can be no further argument made about it being “the woman’s choice because it is her body”.

So Barry pretends that the live birth never happened.


14 posted on 09/09/2009 11:25:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: BigEdLB
It seems that Winston Churchill and all the Tommies who fought between 1939 and 1945 wasted their time and, in some cases, their lives. They should have just surrendered to Hitler, whose Aktion T4 program would have handled this baby and other forms of Lebensunwertes Leben (life unworthy of living) the same way.


15 posted on 09/09/2009 11:27:03 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: BigEdLB

This is heartbreaking, I cannot believe it. I hope this is not what Obambi wants to do to us.


16 posted on 09/09/2009 11:29:34 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: mvpel

Since the words “death panels” doesn’t appear anywhere in the legislation, the leftists deny that they exist.

My FOUR YEAR OLD understands the concept of unlimited demand for goods or services that are perceived as free.

I asked her if she could explain it to 0bama.
(She said she would.)


17 posted on 09/09/2009 11:31:54 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Winged Hussar

Nice ‘shop, there.


18 posted on 09/09/2009 11:32:11 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Osage Orange
I did attend a couple births that the baby cried and we did what we do. We tended to them.....with the best care possible to them.

I personally many years ago had a baby born at 22 weeks....that was stillborn. It happens.....And it still hurts my heart to even think about it.....

I'm sorry for your loss. My first son was stillborn at 21 weeks. Although I'm a man, I can understand your pain.

And yet how much more would that pain be if your child was born alive, and then ignored?

Even if he died an hour later after a fight, wouldn't it be better to have fought? To know that all that could be done was done?

20 posted on 09/09/2009 11:36:11 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Osage Orange

From the article

“But weeks before they were published in 2006, a child was born in the U.S. which proved a baby could survive at earlier than 22 weeks if it was given medical treatment.

Amillia Taylor was born in Florida on October 24, 2006, after just 21 weeks and six days in the womb. She celebrated her second birthday last year.

Doctors believed she was a week older and so gave her intensive care, but later admitted she would not have received treatment if they had known her true age.

Her birth also coincided with the debate in Britain over whether the abortion limit should be reduced.

Some argued that if a baby could survive at 22 weeks then the time limit on abortions should be reduced.”

“Probably not viable” should not be an excuse.


21 posted on 09/09/2009 11:45:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: BigEdLB

Thank God there will be justice someday.


22 posted on 09/09/2009 11:55:26 AM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: All

I have a son who starts 3rd Grade today. He was 3 weeks early - not 3 months... No problems, thank God, and he weighed enough, etc. to go home after 2 days. In fact his birth Apgar score was 9 of 10. But what if he had been very early?


23 posted on 09/09/2009 12:12:19 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Morgana
I have a better question.....How do they sleep at night after that?

Bureaucrats in a Socialist government rarely have a conscience or soul. They just eat, sleep, and breathe sort of like a rat, or maybe even some sort of undefined vegetation...
24 posted on 09/09/2009 12:18:39 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: mlizzy

Not just to them, but to all of us for letting it happen. I sometimes wish God would bring it on and destroy us all. We deserve it.


25 posted on 09/09/2009 12:19:51 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: mlizzy

Not just to them, but to all of us for letting it happen. I sometimes wish God would bring it on and destroy us all. We deserve it.


26 posted on 09/09/2009 12:19:51 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: BigEdLB

In a case like that, violence would be entirely justified against a doctor acting so barbarically. To the extent it takes to force him to treat the child. Too bad she was probably not in any condition dish it out.

And another concern, the 2 day margin is outside the margin of accuracy. Who’s to say their estimate of the infants age that accurate?


27 posted on 09/09/2009 12:20:53 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: GauchoUSA

Form over substance. That’s the real problem with Western society. We refuse to face reality and keep doing the same thing, day after day after day even when it doesn’t work.


28 posted on 09/09/2009 12:20:57 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I am a man also.......

This happened before I was in the medical field......

And yes....our baby never cried, and didn't have a heart beat even before delivery. My wife had a nearly complete detached placenta.......

Thanks-

29 posted on 09/09/2009 12:37:49 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DesertRhino
In a case like that, violence would be entirely justified against a doctor acting so barbarically. To the extent it takes to force him to treat the child. Too bad she was probably not in any condition dish it out.
That is Britian. Anything that uses ammunition or is sharp is illegal.
But here... A husband with a certain type of weapon might be useful.
30 posted on 09/09/2009 12:42:28 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

I also had a premature baby once. Thankfully, she lived and survived! She wasn’t too premature, just 6 weeks. She is now 32 years old! Ironic thing is: she was healthier as a premature infant, than she was at 28 years! I almost lost her twice! Once when she was nineteen, to Crohn’s disease, then at twenty-eight to complications of the same disease!

Needless to say, she survived all three instances, (including premature birth) and is still alive, and doing much better, for now! There are a few other close family members who have had near brushes with death too. I shudder to think what could happen to them if Obamacare goes through! Brrrr...


31 posted on 09/09/2009 1:30:09 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: BigEdLB
During 3rd year of medical school while rotating through the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit rotation (only my 2nd clinical rotation up until that point), I participated in the birth of a pair of twins. One of the twins had severe malformations including microcephaly, meningomyelocele, cleft lip cleft palate, and a club foot. The couple chose to carry the pregnancy to full term in order to save the normal twin. Right after the delivery I was instructed by the chief resident to take the deformed twin into another room so as to not allow the parents to see him. As I held this beautiful child in my arms and gently rocked him, like I had my youngest sister and all of my nieces and nephew, I sang him a lullaby that mother used to sing. I then baptized him with the tap water from the faucet in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, knowing that his Muslim parents would not. With the stethescope hanging from my ears, I held this child until his last breath and heart beat faded. It saddened me that this baby died in the arms of a stranger and not his parents. His body was taken to the morgue without his parents ever seeing him. From then on, I vowed never again to let another newborn infant die on my watch without intervening.

Fast forward 20 yrs. later...Few months ago, my ER nurses and I successfully resuscitated a 21 weeker crack baby who was gray, ashen, pulseless and apneic when we delivered him. He's doing well, alive and growing without any deficits. Truly a miracle. We are a culture of life, and rationing of care is not why I went into medicine. We went all out to save this kid and our prayers were answered. What's a $2 million dollars hospital bill anyway in the grand scheme of things? Chump change compare to our federal deficits.

32 posted on 09/09/2009 2:02:54 PM PDT by dit_xi
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To: BigEdLB

See people this is where WAR has to commence. Good men can not allow this kind of evil!


33 posted on 09/09/2009 4:52:27 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Niuhuru

Oh, it’s coming. Don’t be TOO anxious...


34 posted on 09/09/2009 8:35:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: dit_xi

God bless you dit_xi. You are a gem, indeed.


35 posted on 09/09/2009 8:37:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: dit_xi; potlatch

My grandson was born last summer with myelomeningocele (spina bifida). The large opening at his spine was surgically closed before he was 24 hours old. He has a shunt to alleviate hydrocephalus. He is a beautiful, smart, happy child. Yes, he has some physical challenges, but he doesn’t let them ruin his day.

Smile Train literature that comes in the mail shows that cleft lip/palate is surgically reparable. A child in my grandson’s NICU was being treated for clubfoot. Kristi Yamaguchi took up ice skating as therapy for clubfoot, and won a gold medal in skating (and mirror ball trophy in Dancing With The Stars).

I was uninformed about microcephaly, so Googled it. None of these children look like they should have been left to die:

http://www.childrenwithmicro.org/pictures1.html

I appreciate your dedication to preserving life.
The nurses where my grandson was born wished his deformity had been detected in utero, so he could have been aborted. The nurses at the NICU where he was transported were angels who gave him the best of care and encouraged my daughter. “Culture of life” explains the difference.


36 posted on 09/09/2009 9:44:21 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

I believe I had pinged you to another thread about this same story.

But it’s late and I am half asleep, lol.
See you tomorrow nit.


37 posted on 09/09/2009 9:50:19 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: BigEdLB
Bureaucrats in a Socialist government rarely have a conscience or soul. They just eat, sleep, and breathe sort of like a rat, or maybe even some sort of undefined vegetation...

And *these* are the very same people (and bear in mind I'm using the term in its loosest sense) that decree others to be "useless eaters". The hypocrisy is breathtakingly stunning...

the infowarrior

38 posted on 09/09/2009 10:00:46 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: potlatch; ntnychik

.

Hussy Junior’s Death Panel-Ties


39 posted on 09/09/2009 10:21:06 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . never whack them with a 2x4 if 4x4 is handy . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: NYer

Ping.


40 posted on 09/09/2009 10:25:07 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Marysecretary

I wonder what form it’ll come in.


41 posted on 09/10/2009 2:37:49 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Nukes, disease, natural disasters, to name a few. God bless us all.


42 posted on 09/10/2009 3:06:24 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

Let it happen and may the hot rain fall on those who brought this on all of us.


43 posted on 09/10/2009 5:12:23 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: BigEdLB
So the rules regarding the life or death of premies have been establlish by a panel.

That sounds so familiar.

44 posted on 09/10/2009 5:20:49 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: denydenydeny

Established, I should say.


45 posted on 09/10/2009 5:21:39 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: Niuhuru

Our wickedness has brought it on ourselves, too. Abortion, homosexual marriage, all kinds of death and destruction to people. I’m surprised God hasn’t done something way before this. The rain falls on the just and the unjust but I do believe God will protect His own.


46 posted on 09/10/2009 7:27:51 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

Well, if it falls on the just, I don’t blame Him. The Just were the enablers.


47 posted on 09/11/2009 12:47:31 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Yes, indeed.


48 posted on 09/11/2009 12:52:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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