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Secret FDA Memos Reveal Concerns About (GMOs)
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Posted on 09/11/2009 8:51:46 AM PDT by Scythian

See Video Here (she' pretty, maybe that we'll get you to watch it?)

The Documents are HERE ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: disease; food; gmo
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To: Scythian
Nobody on this thread has looked at the FDA documents linked on this thread stating the dire warnings ... But those are nothing, the evidence for the danger here is overwhelming ...

Is this the same FDA that had reams of proof that saccharine caused cancer? I don't remember hearing them ever apologize for their mistake that ruined an entire industry. The FDA is a government agency and acts as such. They are not the end all when it comes to determining whether something is bad for you or not. They're better than what existed before them but they are still a massive bureaucracy motivated by not making mistakes and covering their butts.

You don't understand high-yield agriculture or how genetically altering plants makes that possible. You don't understand how grafting and gene splicing work otherwise you wouldn't be living your life in fear -- unless, that is, you can explain how GMO foods cause autism.

The food industry knew the FDA was full of it when they banned saccharine just like they know this fuss over GMO foods is much ado about nothing fomented by chemicalphobes, Luddites and toxic terrorists. Enjoy your fear and good luck avoiding GMO foods. You're gonna get real skinny chewing water.

41 posted on 09/11/2009 10:47:26 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: parsifal
So you needed the trial lawyers to tell you (the truth) that inhaling smoke from cigarettes, that makes your lungs cough and hack up mucus, was bad for you and could cause cancer?

Lacking common sense will make people dependent on others. No wonder so many want to empower the people who would destroy our culture and economy. Sad.

42 posted on 09/11/2009 10:52:18 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
Ever watch travel channel? BIZARRE FOODS shows the host traveling the world eating things such as 10 year-old fermented FISH, all types of insects, any and all body parts of almost any creature imaginable, including vermin such as rats. Bottom line, the power of the digestive system and the liver to break down ANY KIND OF DNA, ALTERED OR NOT, is supreme. Once it’s digested, it’s all the same. Amino acid is amino acid.
43 posted on 09/11/2009 11:07:54 AM PDT by Huebolt (Democrat = (national socialist) = NAZI)
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To: Scythian
Foolish statement, would you like me to point you to studies from Kansas and Iowa about how the yields of GMO crops are less than natural seed crops, it's true, you are uneducated.

Oh, good grief. Who am I going to believe...a guy like Norman Borlaug, one of the most respected and inspiring members of the scientific community, or some ignorant chemicalphobe who posts all sorts of crap science from the internet?

For a time finding fault with high-yield agriculture was fashionable among environmentalists and other scientific illiterate organizations. But the facts are not open to debate. You can take issue with Borlaug's achievements but that only puts you in company with a bunch of fools that never took the time or made the effort to learn of what they speak.

44 posted on 09/11/2009 11:15:39 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Huebolt
I love that show. I've eaten some pretty bizarre foods but that guy is over the top. Makes for great television, however.

People don't give the liver enough credit for being able to do what it does. It's an amazing organ. It's even capable of learning how to metabolizing sophisticated compounds produced by pharmaceutical companies that it has never seen before.

The fearful illiterates here rant about toxins in foods ignorant to the fact that they consume toxins every day and that their liver easily clears them without harm. If they had to eat toxin free food to survive they'd starve. I've found that chemicalphobes live in fear because they never took the time to learn much about chemistry, nutrition or physiology.

45 posted on 09/11/2009 11:22:56 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Scythian

Monsanto lawyers and former executives, who rode the DC revolving door from Monsanto to positions within the FDA, are the ones responsible for getting GMO foods into our markets.

Monsanto is trying hard to get all heirloom seeds out of the market and outlawed so that the only seeds available are their GM seeds.

70 percent of all the soybeans grown in the US now are genetically modified “Round-Up Ready” Monsanto soybeans.

Read up on “H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009” pushed by Rosa DeLauro, whose husband is a “former” Monsanto lobbyist.


46 posted on 09/11/2009 11:43:17 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly
Read up on “H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009” pushed by Rosa DeLauro, whose husband is a “former” Monsanto lobbyist.

I just looked at that bill and did a search on the word "seed". Didn't find a single mention. Either my search function is screwed up or you are mistaken in your claim.

47 posted on 09/11/2009 11:48:39 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The Heirloom seed component isn’t in that bill. Monsanto already has patent rights over any plant cross pollinated by any of their seeds, and the ability to sue any farmer who saves seeds from any Monsanto crop.


48 posted on 09/11/2009 12:00:02 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly
The Heirloom seed component isn’t in that bill.

Is Monsanto in the bill?

Monsanto already has patent rights over any plant cross pollinated by any of their seeds, and the ability to sue any farmer who saves seeds from any Monsanto crop.

That has nothing to do with heirloom seeds.

49 posted on 09/11/2009 12:06:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: bushwon
unless you are talking about all forms of hybrid plant breeding like seedless watermelons

Well, seedless watermelon is clearly the work of the devil and would never have been accepted if people still had taste buds!

50 posted on 09/11/2009 12:11:35 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sorry if my original post was confusing.

Monsanto lawyers and former execs were working for the FDA, having recently moved from their Monsanto positions to positions within the FDA, when the issues related to GM foods came before the FDA. While Canada and Europe blocked any laws favoring GM foods, our FDA, infiltrated by Monsanto executives at the time, crafted the rules relating to GM foods in the US, and now 70% of soybeans grown here are GM.

Their effort at removing heirloom seeds from the market were on a different track from this and the recent “Food Safety” bill.


51 posted on 09/11/2009 12:13:52 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: maryz

LOL, well not sure quite work of devil, but my kids absolutely refused to eat watermelon with seeds....;)


52 posted on 09/11/2009 12:18:39 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: spodefly
Monsanto lawyers and former execs were working for the FDA, having recently moved from their Monsanto positions to positions within the FDA, when the issues related to GM foods came before the FDA.

We need more CSPI lawyers in the FDA.

While Canada and Europe blocked any laws favoring GM foods

Do we have laws favoring GM foods?

Their apparently failed effort at removing heirloom seeds from the market were on a different track from this and the recent “Food Safety” bill.

Is it in any bill?

53 posted on 09/11/2009 12:26:51 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: spodefly

Agreed, and here the response to the guy claiming GMO seeds have saved a billion people (not to mention 9/10 of the people on this thread have no idea what GMO means)


Study shows genetically altered soybeans produce lower yields

A two-year study by University of Nebraska researchers showed that soybeans genetically altered to resist a popular herbicide produced lower yields than conventional soybeans. The NU Institute of Agriculture and Natural Resources study showed Roundup Ready soybeans yield 6 percent less than their closest relatives and 11 percent less than high-yielding soybean varieties. That averaged to three fewer bushels per acre - or 480 fewer bushels on a 160-acre field. “This is completely contrary to the body of research done by Monsanto and independent sources,” said Scarlett Foster, director of public affairs for Monsanto.

The University of Nebraska study was a two-year project, she said, but farmers have been using Roundup Ready beans for five years. “Their satisfaction has been at a 90 percent rate,” Foster said. The institute undertook the study - funded by the Nebraska Soybean Board - when producers began asking yield-related questions about the
genetically-altered soybeans in 1997, NU agronomist and study director Roger Elmore said. Around the same time, he said, early test results from Nebraska and other universities were released, hinting at a lesser yield capacity for Roundup Ready beans.

Roundup Ready soybean seed, produced by St. Louis, Mo.-based Monsanto Co., contains a gene that allows it to resist the popular Roundup herbicide. The seed costs about $7.50 per bag more than conventional bean seed. When studies showed spraying with Roundup did not adversely affect the altered soybeans’ yield, Elmore and his
colleagues focused on the effects of the gene-insertion process.

Dryland and irrigated studies were conducted at North Platte, Clay Center, Lincoln and Concord comparing Roundup Ready varieties to related varieties and high-yielding traditional soybean varieties.


Not only are the very bad for you, but they produce less yield, they only thing they are doing is putting money in peoples pockets at the expense of the health and well being of our children. And you are right, they are in control of the FDA, it’s like having ACORN in control of the election process.


54 posted on 09/11/2009 12:27:13 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Not only are the very bad for you,

I think you skipped a step here.

55 posted on 09/11/2009 12:29:19 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Scythian

Freepers are very ignorant about GMO, they think it means things like seedless watermelons, I’m talking about eating food with soil, bug genes, jelly fish genes, and so on, Agrobacterium, BT, we’re eating it, and it’s a pesticide, the plants themselves are deadly to bugs that dine on them, and we eat that food. And many of these things have proven to survive in the human gut.

And as the study above shows, it costs way more, yields less, is scientifically irresponsible, is causing grave health issues, the only benefit is somebody is getting rich by making us sick.


56 posted on 09/11/2009 12:34:00 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sorry ... didn’t realize you worked for Monsanto.


57 posted on 09/11/2009 12:36:20 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly
I thought I worked for the Fed?

Sorry for pointing out the errors in your prior claims on the open thread.

58 posted on 09/11/2009 12:40:05 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Bullshit. You haven’t pointed out anything except that you favor the revolving door of corporate execs and government positions that favor corporate execs, and the lawyers at CSPI pushing anti-salt and anti-soda, etc., agendas through the Government.


59 posted on 09/11/2009 12:45:17 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Scythian
Freepers are very ignorant about GMO, they think it means things like seedless watermelons

How did those seedless watermelons survive in the wild? I don't imagine they're very prolific.

60 posted on 09/11/2009 12:46:36 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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