The Left’s Campaign To Destroy Glenn Beck

David Horowitz NewsReal ^ | September 17,2009 | David Horowitz

[Man50D]

I think that the birth certificate is significant and should pursued. BUT - think about this - if Beck and others prove that Obama is not eligible to be President, what happens? We get Joe Biden and it's business as usual.

That's assuming Biden didn't know BO was not a natural born citizen.

And of course, if it turns out that Obama is shown to be eligible, we've wasted a lot of time and effort to gain nothing. Plus, Beck takes a hit and we lose an effective mouthpiece.

If BO is eligible then he could have resolved this whole issue last year by quickly producing a birth certificate. The fact he has spent 1.5 million dollars on a team of lawyers to prevent having to produce his birth certificate is damning in and of itself.

Let Beck continue to work at systematically destroying the democrat mafia machine. He's very effective at that.

Beck has repeatedly said he is about the truth. Fine, then he should be consistent by going after the whole truth.

[savedbygrace]

That’s a non responsive reply.

First, you quoted something I didn’t say.

Second you merely repeated yourself, rather than explain how you conclude that made him a hypocrite.

Third, you offer no evidence other than claiming you saw something on TV, but you offer no context and no link to the actual evidence. From your representation, I’m thinking it might have been Beck being Beck, sarcasm and all, IF I accept he really said that.

IOW, you’ve offered NOTHING.

[Man50D]

Excuse me for butting in but Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution doesn't require 'proof'. It 'just' states the the person shall be a "Natural Born Citizen".

How does one prove he or she is a natural born citizen without documentation? What other documentation could prove natural born citizenship other than a birth certificate?

Can you tell me what the question is, or are, regarding Barry's citizenship?

Bo and his supporters have been claiming a certification of live birth is the birth certificate required to prove he is a natural born citizen. They are not one and the same. The other issue is in order for a person to be a natural born citizen, the parents must also be American citizens. BO's father was never a natural born citizen. he had dual citizenship with Great Britain and Kenya. There's more to it than this summation. FR search can provide you more information.

[sourcery]

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

[MozarkDawg]

“Having the president on” can mean different things. To the English it means something like “bamboozling the president” or “faking the president out.”

That is not at all what Glenn meant, tone, inflection, context, etc. kempster is correct, the manner in which Glenn says things, especially the side-note, and other spots, bits he's done in the past, it is likely he will use footage of 0bama to create an *interview* -- I only said I didn't know what he was planning earlier as he didn't give any more specific head's up than that.

[Man50D]

That’s a non responsive reply.

My response was on the mark. Beck can't claim to be all for the Constitution and only to ignore Article 2 Section 1 of The Constitution because he can't accept the fact BO hasn't proved he is a natural born citizen! Either he supports the Constitution in it's entirety or not at all.

First, you quoted something I didn’t say.

I didn't quote anything you said. I merely copy and pasted remarks in your previous post to me.

Third, you offer no evidence other than claiming you saw something on TV, but you offer no context and no link to the actual evidence

You shouldn't assume. Beck Just Referred to "Birthers" as Idiots. I suppose by your assumption I made up this thread with detailed information out of my fertile imagination.

I’m thinking it might have been Beck being Beck, sarcasm and all, IF I accept he really said that.

Think again.

[chris_bdba]

Very good article and pretty much sums up exactly what the left is engaged in. I say no quarter this time it is until the other side throws up their hands and disappears for 50 years.

[savedbygrace]

You’re still not being responsive to the questions, and you still haven’t provided a link to Beck saying what you claim he said.

The burden of proof is on you.

[Condor51]

Okay, I think I've got it. If I may, I'll rearrange your answers in an order so they make sense to me.

1. *** The other issue is in order for a person to be a natural born citizen, the parents must also be American citizens. BO's father was never a natural born citizen. he had dual citizenship with Great Britain and Kenya. ****

2. *** Bo and his supporters have been claiming a certification of live birth is the birth certificate required to prove he is a natural born citizen. They are not one and the same. ***

3. **** How does one prove he or she is a natural born citizen without documentation? What other documentation could prove natural born citizenship other than a birth certificate? ****

I'll now answer all three items, and NO offense is meant.
The answers all come from the US Code, which codifies all items in the Constitution, like Article 2 Section 1, and contains all other Federal Laws passed by congress.

You're correct about his father, he was an immigrant, but his mother was a US Citizen. The US Code addresses all three question:

1. Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part 1 - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization
   Section 1401: Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
   The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

   (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
   (this takes care of any legal questions if he was born in Hawaii)

   (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years
   (this takes care of any legal questions if he was NOT born in Hawaii)

2. Paragraph 'g' addresses any proof required as to him being a 'Natural Born Citizen'.
   He could have been born anywhere and as long as his mother was a US Citizen, so is he.

3. He doesn't need any documentation to prove anything. Per 'g', It gets back to his mother being a US Citizen.

Now some will respond that Paragraph 'g' was amended, it changed the years noted which effected Barry's mother's status and his as a citizen. THAT'S TRUE, it was amended, in 1986. But it was not a retroactive amendment (which would be an ex post facto law, and Unconstitutional. In short, it only effected those born after 1984. And not Obama who was born in 1961. ₍₁₎

Here is additional legal reference on Citizenship: Constitutional Topic: Citizenship

(1)Notes on 08 U.S.C. § 1401 : US Code - Notes 1986 - Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99-653 substituted "five years, at least two" for "ten years, at least five".

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1986 AMENDMENT: Section 23(d) of Pub. L. 99-653, as added by Pub. L. 100-525, Sec. 8(r), Oct. 24, 1988, 102 Stat. 2619, provided that:
"The amendment made by section 12 [amending this section] shall apply to persons born on or after November 14, 1986."

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I believe the US Code cited above should end any 'Natural Born Citizen' questions.

Now, why Barry's spent $1 Million+ fighting this in courts beats the heck out of me. He should just ref 1401 and end it.

ps: Excuse the tardy reply. I'm on my backup computer and its very slow. I feel like that turtle in the Comcast ad.

[JHBowden]

I don’t watch Beck’s program, since I find it little weird. Don’t liberals know how to change the channel?

I’m not going to try to ban Olbermann from the airwaves just because he’s a socialist. Why can the left live and let live? I thought they liked dissent!

(I know, I know, Democrats ultimately just really, really hate competition.)

[Man50D]

You’re still not being responsive to the questions, and you still haven’t provided a link to Beck saying what you claim he said.

How convenient for you to be in such denial despite being given a link to a thread providing specific information that was posted only minutes after he made his remarks. If he didn't make the remarks then why did UCFRoadWarrior also refer to the birther idiot remark in his post #68. To quote: "And I heard and saw that, too. Beck has referred to Birthers as “idiots”". Is UCFRoadWarrior also lying?

[savedbygrace]

As I said way back upthread, Beck uses a lot of sarcasm. I want to hear the whole thing for myself before drawing a conclusion.

Frankly, I don’t trust your conclusions.

[Mad Dawgg]

"The Left’s Campaign To Destroy Glenn Beck"

hahahah

How's it working' so far?

BTW Beck's Radio show is about the funniest most irreverent bit the entertainment industry has to offer right now.

It's like the Marx Brothers have been reincarnated!

[Mad Dawgg]

'Beck has referred to Birthers as “idiots”"."

My rejoinder would be a big: "so..."

[awake-n-angry]

I’ve listened to Rush since 1991 and now listen to Beck and think that Beck is much better then Limbaugh. Rush reads articles and makes sarcastic comments, Glen does deep background research and connects dots. Rush is entertainment and Glen is information that you can use to skewer liberals.

If Beck ever decided to change his time to noon, Rush would have to think about retirement.

[RinaseaofDs]

I appreciate your point of view, but I think they are very different, and I think Rush’s analysis and command of strategic political thought is pretty singular.

Beck is tactical, and in my opinion, the best at it.

ACORN is destroyed, and Beck’s responsible. The only journalism in the country right now is going on at Fox and from citizen journalists. Jeff Head brought down Dan Rather, for example.