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Bob Woodward strikes again! (McChrystal assessment edition)
Foreign Policy ^ | 9/21/2009 | Peter Feaver

Posted on 09/22/2009 3:51:39 AM PDT by Saije

The Obama Administration has been Woodwarded again, this time with a major scoop: Bob Woodward has a major front-page story that is more or less a summary precis of General McChrystal’s confidential Initial Assessment of the Afghan situation...I have a few initial assessments of my own:

1. It is not good to have a document like this leaked into the public debate before the President has made his decision...I assume the Obama team is very angry about this, and I think they have every right to be...

4. The leak makes it harder for President Obama to reject a McChrystal request for additional troops because the assessment so clearly argues for them...Presumably, the McChrystal assessment and request is shared by Petraeus and, I am told, also by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That does not make it irrefutably correct, but it does make this issue now the defining moment in civil-military relations under President Obama’s watch...

5. The toughest part in the report from the point of view of the Obama White House is the twin claim that (i) under-resourcing the war could cause the war to be lost, and (ii) the resources need to show up in the next year. The former puts the responsibility for success/failure squarely on the desk of the President and the latter, because of the long lead times needed to send additional resources into the theater, says that failure could result from choices made or not made in the next few weeks. And it said that a few weeks ago...

The domestic political-military stakes have been ramped up considerably with this leak. It is not quite a 3-AM-phone-call crisis, but it is probably the most serious national security test the Obama team has confronted thus far...

(Excerpt) Read more at shadow.foreignpolicy.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bobwoodward; genesperling; mcchrystal; obama; partisanmediashills; sequester; woodward
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Somebody leaked it for a reason, maybe just not the obvious one.
1 posted on 09/22/2009 3:51:39 AM PDT by Saije
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To: Saije
On a side note, amazing how the liberals to not like what they used to do to Bush......leak, leak, leak droplet Pictures, Images and Photos
2 posted on 09/22/2009 3:58:50 AM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: Saije

Yes, I recall all the outrage about all the CIA memos that were leaked to the press during the Bush presidency. I recall how outraged the press was that someone would divulge classified info. /sarcasm


3 posted on 09/22/2009 3:59:05 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Saije

I am not comfortable with the idea of the Pentagon doing something that the President doesn’t support fully. Too many people get killed when that happens because the President starts worrying about the health of the enemy too much.


4 posted on 09/22/2009 3:59:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Saije

Forcing 0bama’s hand may be a gift to him. McChrystal undoubtedly knows the history of military conflicts in Afghanistan, and knows about Viet Nam. I’m sure he does NOT want his name to be drug through the mud as a loser in history’s long view of his life.


5 posted on 09/22/2009 4:00:25 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: Saije

The brass in DoD leaked it to Woodward because Obama last week left McChrystal hanging in the wind while our servicemen are dying because of the new ROEs and an emboldened Taliban.


6 posted on 09/22/2009 4:00:36 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Saije

“That does not make it irrefutably correct, but it does make this issue now the defining moment in civil-military relations under President Obama’s watch...”

Obozo’s presidency’s survival is on the line and is on life-support getting ready to have the switch turned off.


7 posted on 09/22/2009 4:00:40 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Saije
When Obama takes his bill for more money and troops to Congress, earmarks will come flying from everywhere to attach themselves and enjoy the free ride. Since these will be the same invisible earmarks as the ones that attached themselves to the stimulus bill, Obama won't see a thing and will sign into law. The fact that there will be so many earmarks, will make it easy to sneak more socialistic laws in along with it. Hey, it's all for our Troops! Right?
8 posted on 09/22/2009 4:01:25 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Saije; Allegra; Fred Nerks; LucyT
The Obama Junta wants US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq to be DEFEATED. He does not want a victorious army returning to interfere with his community organizing work. He wants our military chewed up, defeated and demoralized when they return to the USA.

The Obama Junta will leave our troops with impossible ROE, minimal supplies, and poor leadership with lefty whacko arm chair politicians and generals running the show.

Why? So Obama can remake America into his Utopia without the interference of returning soldiers.

Its that hopey changey thing.

Obama is a traitor.

He licked the hand of the King of Saud in public. Get it?

9 posted on 09/22/2009 4:01:33 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Saije
because of the long lead times needed to send additional resources into the theater, says that failure could result from choices made or not made in the next few weeks. And it said that a few weeks ago...

Yesterday morning FoxNews was reporting that Obama still wanted 6-8 weeks before making a decision.

Presidentin' is hard. Obama seems to want to vote present on the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.
10 posted on 09/22/2009 4:02:12 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Saije

It is not good to have a document like this leaked into the public debate before the President has made his decision


The libtards have felt that leakers perform a public service...until now, when it’s them that have been leaked upon.


11 posted on 09/22/2009 4:05:22 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: AppyPappy
Too many people get killed

Do you think our sneaky Prevaricator in Chief gives a damn?

12 posted on 09/22/2009 4:07:18 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: TomGuy
Yesterday morning FoxNews was reporting that Obama still wanted 6-8 weeks before making a decision

His version of voting 'present.'

I'm watching FOX & Friends rights now. Glenn Beck is right "Fight to win or bring them home." My new tag line.

13 posted on 09/22/2009 4:13:01 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights ("Fight to win or bring them home.")
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To: Saije; Allegra; Fred Nerks; LucyT

What WAPO is saying:

... But Obama’s deliberative pace — he has held only one meeting of his top national security advisers to discuss McChrystal’s report so far — is a source of growing consternation within the military. “Either accept the assessment or correct it, or let’s have a discussion,” one Pentagon official said. “Will you read it and tell us what you think?” Within the military, this official said, “there is a frustration. A significant frustration. A serious frustration.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/20/AR2009092002878.html

Leftist Obama Junta Treason.


14 posted on 09/22/2009 4:14:14 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Assessment_Redacted_092109.pdf?hpid=topnews)

Assesssment with redactions


15 posted on 09/22/2009 4:16:25 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights ("Fight to win or bring them home.")
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To: Saije
The general's assessment was a waste of time. Prez Zero isn't going to send more troops. After all he has said and done since January, do you really think he is going to do anything that doesn't make the US look bad or weak?

Now that Teddy the K is gone, I have Zero to use as my benchmark. If he is for it (regardless of issue) I am against it. If he is against it, I am for it. If I think a good President would do it, I know Zero won't. It makes my life simpler. I don't even have to know anything about an issue to implement these rules. It saves time.

16 posted on 09/22/2009 4:20:07 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Saije; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Where is LOUDMOUTH MURTHA , why isn't he calling for proper review of the McCrystal military assessment?

Is there a coupe in progress against the Obama Junta?

I would applaud it.

17 posted on 09/22/2009 4:22:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Saije; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Where is LOUDMOUTH MURTHA , why isn't he calling for proper review of the McCrystal military assessment?

Is there a coupe in progress against the Obama Junta?

I would applaud it.

18 posted on 09/22/2009 4:22:23 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I'm watching FOX & Friends rights now. Glenn Beck is right "Fight to win or bring them home."

If you look back at the FR postings from the last decade, you will see many of us demanding the same.

We saw Iraq turning political. We saw Afghanistan put on the back burner.

I, and others, posted many times -- win the war before trying to set up political diplomacy.


19 posted on 09/22/2009 4:22:39 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Saije
Obama and the Democrats have said for years that Afghanistan is the primary arena in the war on terror. Obama should have had a strategy the day he was sworn into office. Eight months later he is still vacillating like a woman at a hat sale. Afghanistan is no prize but if this domino falls it could create a momentum that eventually destabilizes Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
20 posted on 09/22/2009 4:24:00 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Saije

Does anyone here think CinC Barack 0bama could possibly get it right?
If he’s going to make America wage the war badly, perhaps catastrophically badly, let’s accept the inevitability and get out before he sends any more good people out on a limb.


21 posted on 09/22/2009 4:24:38 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: TomGuy

Decade?? I’m thinking Decade?? But then I thought wait, it is almost 2010. My ‘baby’ is in college now and I am also a grandmother.

“Fight to win or bring them home.” I am making signs and bumper stickers.


22 posted on 09/22/2009 4:36:49 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights ("Fight to win or bring them home.")
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To: Lawgvr1955

Song Lyrics:
[Groucho]
I don’t know what they have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I’m against it.

Your proposition may be good,
But let’s have one thing understood,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
And even when you’ve changed it or condensed it,
I’m against it.

I’m opposed to it,
On general principle, I’m opposed to it.

[chorus] He’s opposed to it.
In fact, indeed, that he’s opposed to it!

[Groucho]
For months before my son was born,
I used to yell from night to morn,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
And I’ve kept yelling since I first commenced it,
I’m against it!
(hackinbush)


23 posted on 09/22/2009 4:41:48 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Saije

I am with you on the leak and it’s reason.

It needs to be pointed out forcefully that the _resident has had nearly a full month, AS CASUALTIES INCREASE, without any movement.

(didn’t the Mushlim-in-Chief indicate before his coronation that this war was a no-brainer?)


24 posted on 09/22/2009 4:46:31 AM PDT by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Candor7
The Obama Junta wants US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq to be DEFEATED. He does not want a victorious army returning to interfere with his community organizing work. He wants our military chewed up, defeated and demoralized when they return to the USA.

- very true, just like the Vietnam war - liberals love Vietnam - it's the only war they ever won.

25 posted on 09/22/2009 4:46:38 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Decade?? I’m thinking Decade??

They pass fast. Every time I turn around, it is time to post on the Sunday Morning newstalk thread, again.

Where did the week go?


26 posted on 09/22/2009 4:48:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Love Groucho. The mother of a guy I went to school with once dated Groucho when she was younger. He said his grandfather was pretty upset about it and it didn’t last long.


27 posted on 09/22/2009 4:48:46 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Thanks for posting the actual assessment.

After a quick skim:

As expected, the mission is an odd one: “disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda” through “stability in Afghanistan.”

No though killing or destroying, but through nation-building.

1) The opium problem: Afghan supplies 95 percent of the world’s opium supply with about $2 billion annual revenue **at the source farmer level** and is a (”the” ??) source of revenue for the Taliban. yet it is discussed in ONE paragraph in 66 pages.

2) Pakistan: Maybe I skimmed too fast. Couldn’t find any discussion of Pakistan at all, which is the exact and precise analog of Cambodia/Laos during Vietnam.


28 posted on 09/22/2009 4:50:06 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Candor7

O told us this was a war of necessity. either it is or it isn’t. if it isn’t any more, his action of sending more troops earlier in the year, and his judgment/credibility are down the tubes. he’s boxed himself in — and soldiers are left hanging at the moment — kind of like how he is handling the CIA situation. every day he makes us less safe as people think twice about serving the country in these capacities and our allies wonder what the heck they can count on us for.


29 posted on 09/22/2009 4:50:42 AM PDT by avital2
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To: Lawgvr1955

It’s my themesong!


30 posted on 09/22/2009 4:51:14 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: angkor

“No though killing or destroying, but through nation-building.”

Drink some coffee dude!

“Not through killing or destroying....”


31 posted on 09/22/2009 4:51:24 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Saije

It is less messy to leak and to have the public depose the president and the leadership than to send a company of Marines to the Capitol and another to the White House and clean them out.

Who would be our Claudius?


32 posted on 09/22/2009 4:51:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Quotes of the century: 2001 "Lets Roll"..... 2009 "You Lie")
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To: avital2; Candor7

This is what happens when a career “community organizer” assumes the role of Commander In Chief.


33 posted on 09/22/2009 4:54:40 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; Saije

>>>> The brass in DoD leaked it to Woodward <<<<

It’s marked Unclassified for a reason.

It’s about one step away from an OSD press release.

By the way, having skimmed it I am not impressed.

The two main problems in Afghanistan are (a) opium and (2) Pakistan.

There is no suggestion of seriously acting on either problem.


34 posted on 09/22/2009 5:00:00 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Saije

A house divided?


35 posted on 09/22/2009 5:01:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (When I hear "New York Times"-fair or unfair-what I hear is "New York Times Whore House"...)
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To: Saije

Our heroes are being killed in action while O dithers.

Leaking is a GOOD thing.

O needs to stop voting PRESENT.


36 posted on 09/22/2009 5:05:07 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Candor7
He licked the hand of the King of Saud in public. Get it?

That was the left hand no less.

37 posted on 09/22/2009 5:06:28 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
Perhaps that explains the smirks of the King of Saudi's aids , check out the photo. Its a riot.

Obalicker.

He ain't no president of the USA.

He can't tell the eating hand fromm the shite whiping hand, how can he be president? Thats a rather basic skill unless one has not learned because others have done it for yah!LOL.

38 posted on 09/22/2009 5:21:14 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Saije

“It’s not good to have a document like this leaked.” Oh, really? When the Bush blue-ribbon panel was assessing Iraq, it was just fine to have stuff leaked early. . . if it was harmful to Bush.


39 posted on 09/22/2009 5:24:35 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: TomGuy

“FoxNews was reporting that Obama still wanted 6-8 weeks before making a decision.”

Zero wants that much time to continue enjoying lobster and Kobe beef with the heartburn his answer to the General will cause.


40 posted on 09/22/2009 5:25:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: TomGuy
EDIT #40

"“FoxNews was reporting that Obama still wanted 6-8 weeks before making a decision.”

Zero wants that much time to continue enjoying lobster and Kobe beef without the heartburn his answer to the General will cause."

41 posted on 09/22/2009 5:27:07 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Jeff Gordon

No and that’s a problem.


42 posted on 09/22/2009 5:50:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Saije

Lord, I pray that you bless, protect, comfort and give strength to each of our man/women who are servicing our country and also to their family and friends.
In Jesus name I pray.
Amen


43 posted on 09/22/2009 5:53:12 AM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: avital2

Where are all the generals that were so critical of George Bush’s strategies in Iraq?

Why are they silent now?

Do they approve of the present strategy?


44 posted on 09/22/2009 5:58:17 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: angkor
The two main problems in Afghanistan are (a) opium and (2) Pakistan.
There is no suggestion of seriously acting on either problem.

Agreed. There is a classified version though that Obama got and is sitting on.

45 posted on 09/22/2009 6:29:42 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
The pro-America military brass is trying to move Maobama off dead center.

Obama want a couple more months. He wants this so he can rev up more anti-war sentiment in the U.S. This is how the Left "won" the Viet Nam war.....figuratively "on the streets of Berkeley". I look for Obama's operatives to stir up protests on streets and campuses next.

The Left learned EVERYTHING from Viet Nam. Politicize a war and you've got it won.

In the next two months, the question is will the American public fall for the Left's Viet Nam strategy again under a different description.

I think General McChrystal is a patriot and a defender of the lives of his men......and he leaked the report himself through untraceable patriot alllies in or out of the military.

Leni

46 posted on 09/22/2009 7:04:35 AM PDT by MinuteGal ( Americans ! FLIP THIS HOUSE ! (( Congress in 2010 ! ))
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To: Saije

This leak will not allow the zer0 to vote present.

He is skeptical of any requests for more troops.

This leak will cause the zer0 to Man Up.

That’s life in the big leagues.


47 posted on 09/22/2009 7:38:39 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (ImpeachZero)
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To: Candor7; Saije; Allegra; Fred Nerks; LucyT
The Obama Junta wants US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq to be DEFEATED. He does not want a victorious army returning to interfere with his community organizing work. He wants our military chewed up, defeated and demoralized when they return to the USA.

He and his Clowns better wake up fast, because the very last thing He/They want is a bunch really really Pissed Off Vets and returning Warriors, holding Him and his Clowns personally responsible for their defeat on the field of battle and deaths of Their Brothers.

At the very least, He'll get Community Organizers alright, just not the kind He was hoping for.

48 posted on 09/22/2009 7:39:54 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: LS

““It’s not good to have a document like this leaked.” Oh, really? When the Bush blue-ribbon panel was assessing Iraq, it was just fine to have stuff leaked early. . . if it was harmful to Bush.”

So it is good to leak classified documents? I find this a tough question.


49 posted on 09/22/2009 7:41:25 AM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: TomGuy

“FoxNews was reporting that Obama still wanted 6-8 weeks before making a decision.”

The VA and NJ gubernatorial elections are in 6 weeks. Coincidence?


50 posted on 09/22/2009 7:43:05 AM PDT by abbyg55
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