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1 posted on 09/24/2009 5:33:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

bttt....thanks


2 posted on 09/24/2009 5:38:16 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Kaslin

“You lie”


3 posted on 09/24/2009 5:41:53 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Kaslin

President insists that middle-class families won’t see a tax increase .....

Yes, I heard that logic in an alley last night...”Give me your money and you won’t get shot”.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 5:52:49 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: Kaslin
“If you misrepresent what's in this plan, we will call you out,” President Obama warned...

Humana?

6 posted on 09/24/2009 6:01:13 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: aflaak

ping


8 posted on 09/24/2009 6:24:32 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Kaslin
"Fair enough. But the President himself has made numerous claims during this debate that don’t meet the straight-face test. "

There was a time when people who intentionally try mislead people were called LIARS.

These days however, its RACIST to call a person who intentionally misleads people a LIAR.

Besides, Obama didn't really lie, he just see's words differently, due to his muslim upbringing. In Islamic countries, words don't mean the same thing as they do in western countries.
For example, when we read a verse in the Koran or Ahadith, such as :
"Ishaq:587- "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Tabari IX:69- "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."

We see Allah and Mohammads commands to slaughter "infidels" Christians Jews, anyone who isn't a muzzie. We see that killing them is no big deal, no cause for concern, it's an almost reflex action, like brushing away a fly . We read that Muzzies think it's their god given duty to wage war with all mankind, killing those who refuse to convert to Islam, and to continue this crusade, which they call "jihad" until the entire world is Islamic, or until the end of time.

Muslims however, tell us that "jihad" is a inner struggle. it's all in their heads. it's the right side of their brains fighting against the left until their "inner world" is converted to Islam. Killing infidel brain cells is but a small matter to them. They will continue this inner jihad, not caring if they destroy old brain cells or new ones.

This is how Obama see's things. This health care bill doesn't force private insurance out, it just changes it to a different kind of private insurance. We all still get to pay for our own health insurance. We will just pay for it in a different way, and the paperwork will be drastically reduced. In fact you won't even need any at all, just a card the gvernment sends you in the mail.

9 posted on 09/24/2009 8:01:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Kaslin
as many as 114 million Americans could lose their current coverage and instead end up on a government-run plan under House Democrats’ proposal (H.R. 3200.)

Duh!!!!

The median cost of company-sponsored health plans is 11.0% of payroll.

The penalty (read: tax) to a company for not having an "acceptable" health care plan is 8% of payroll.

Do the math.

The 11.0% is deductible. Assuming the 8% is not deductible, it comes to an 11.2% tax on business. 11.0 versus 11.2...I think we can safely say that the 50% of the public getting plans above the median will be forced to the government "option".

If memory serves me right, there are 160-170 million people on these company plans. So, we're looking at 80-85 million people that'd be put on the public option. Add to that the 46 million Obama will automatically put on the option and I get 126-131 million.

10 posted on 09/24/2009 9:00:47 AM PDT by Fredgoblu
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You forgot the "non-citizens"!

Obama says that illegal aliens will not be covered by his plan. But, what he doesn't tell you is that companies will be forced to provide insurance to both documented and undocumented citizens.

HR 3200 says that if your payroll is over $250k, you must either provide an acceptable health plan or pay penalties. It doesn't say "citizen-payroll" or "non-illegal-alien payroll".

Now, granted, we shouldn't feel too bad about the big corporations being penalized for hiring illegals. But, HR3200 is going to put the IRS in charge of tracking down all of these small companies and squeezing the penalties out of them. You can bet the small farmers using migrant laborers are going to be caught in the crosshairs.

11 posted on 09/24/2009 9:10:36 AM PDT by Fredgoblu
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