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There's No Ammo on the Shelves (Defends DHS Report slamming vets)
Mother Jones ^ | May 11, 2009 | Yasha Levine

Posted on 09/24/2009 9:35:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

VICTORVILLE, Calif.—Ever since it became clear that Barack Obama would be our next president, there's been an unprecedented run on guns 'n ammo in America. Partly this is fueled by fears, some justified some not, that Obama will outlaw a broad range of assault weapons; partly it's fueled by socioeconomic factors, racism and right-wing hate.

Nowhere is this phenomenon more evident than in Victorville, a desert exurb of Los Angeles that boomed faster with the subprime craze than just about any city in the country and fell harder when it all collapsed. Today, guns and ammo are in short supply here in Victorville. But there is an abundance of despair and paranoia.

There are a lot of guns around these parts, too. The barren desert surroundings are perfect setting for gun enthusiasts of all stripes, and it feels like most everyone here owns a weapon or two. And why not? You can drive 15 minutes beyond city limits, turn off onto a backroad and start unloading to heart's content. That is, if you are able to get your hands on some ammunition.

In Victorville, every single gun store is out of all types of ammo, all the time.

"I went through 11,000 of 9mm rounds in two days. That's an awful lot for a little shop like this. I would never ever stock that much," an owner of a gun shop tucked away in a corner of a strip mall told me. "All the people that make ammunition are making more than they have in any other year, but they are still running out."

Excessive target practice did not even come close to explaining the insatiable demand for ammo. Even the local Wal-Mart, the pioneer in demand-driven distribution, can't keep up, selling out as soon a new shipment comes in.

Rumor on the street has it that Wal-Mart has sold more ammo year-to-date than any other year in its history. And while Wal-Mart's media relations department would not confirm or deny that information, citing proprietary concerns, all one has to do is visit their two stores in the area.

Aside from a couple of boxes of buckshot, shelves in the guns-and-ammo department stand perpetually empty—a weird sight in a store otherwise overflowing with goods. According to a salesperson at their Victorville location, ammo that arrives overnight will be picked clean long before lunch hour rolls around. The only sure way to buy is to call as soon as the store opens at 9 a.m. and put what you want on hold. That is, if a shipment comes in that day at all.

Charles Drew, owner of a gun store in Victorville, told the press that even people that don't own guns are hoarding ammunition "just in case." It is a trend recorded nationwide.

The Outdoor Wire, a news service for the outdoor industry, has named Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year." Mandatory FBI background checks for firearms sales have jumped by 50 percent in recent months, while ammunition manufacturers have seen record sales. Olin Corp., maker of Winchester ammunition, upped its first-quarter sales this year from $110 million to $133 million, giving it a much-appreciated 20 percent boost in profits.

Ammunition has been so scarce lately that some police departments have been forced to scale back on target practice, fearing that they won't have any bullets left for real police work.

And the thing to remember is that bullets aren't cheap. A box of 25 9mm rounds sells for about $25. More specialized ammo easily sells for $2 a bullet or more. But in these difficult times, cost does not appear to be an issue, even in the flat-broke city of Victorville.

Victorville is set on a flat stretch of the Mojave Desert among Joshua trees and tumbleweeds 100 miles east of Los Angeles. Fertilized by land speculation and the riskiest of loans, blocks and blocks of beefy McMansions started sprouting here in the last decade, baiting low-income families with the glorious dream of homeownership.

Priced just right, Victorville was a testament to the accessibility of the American Dream for all, regardless of wealth. And in 2007, it became America's second-fastest growing exurb, doubling its population to just over 100,000 in six short years.

There was no local industry to support such growth, and despite the two-hour average commute, each way, people flocked here from all over Southern California, eventually making Victorville more ethnically diverse than Los Angeles.

But the egalitarian dream didn't last. Prices have now dropped to pre-2000 levels. Whole neighborhoods of beefy homes, some of them half-built, now stand abandoned, eerily blending in with the barren desert landscape.

The unemployment rate in Victorville doubled in the past year, spiking way above the national average to between 12.5 and 18.5 percent (the national and state averages are 8.5 and 11.2 percent, respectively).

Violent crime is on the rise, too. Victorville saw a 7 percent jump in 2008, while some surrounding areas clocked as much as 13 percent more homicides, rapes, robberies, assaults and motor vehicle theft.

There are two sides to Victorville, the old and the new. Before its stint as a dirt-cheap suburban paradise, Victorville was a tiny God-fearing community populated by white conservatives living an isolated frontier lifestyle with heavy military overtones.

One of the local World War II-era bases had shut down more than a decade ago, but a Marine Corps base remains operational and is still one of the biggest employers in the area. Until the housing boom flooded the area with urban homeowners, 1 out of every 6 adults here was a veteran.

The influx of new—and mainly nonwhite—homeowners has been a cause of racial tensions here for more than a decade.

"The chemistry out here is perfect for more and more racism," said Tom Metzger, the infamous leader of the white supremacist hate group White Aryan Resistance who lives in Southern California, about the Inland Empire back in 2005. "You've got all these nonwhites moving here from Orange County and Los Angeles trying to flee the crime perpetrated on them by their own kind in their ghettos, and when they come out here, they're basically shoving forced integration down the throats of the whites who have traditional claim to this area, and that is provoking a negative racist reaction among whites, as it damn well should. It's great!"

What has been simmering conflict may soon be bubbling over the edge. There is almost a sense of inevitability of a spike in hate crimes.

"In the past month, there was only one reported hate crime. But you have to wonder how many go unreported. I think a lot, " a local crime beat reporter told me. "Just go to our comments section and read what people are saying. There is definitely a perfect storm building."

In October 2008, two teenagers belonging to a local hate group shot a black man in a liquor store parking lot. Schools have been dealing with an uptick in race-based conflicts and shooting threats. Earlier this month, one of the cars of a Jewish family was trashed inside and out, its engine destroyed and swastikas painted on its doors and hood.

As I'm writing this, news is coming out that police arrested a group of six local skinheads from Hammerskin Nation for attempted murder, witness intimidation, conspiracy to commit murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Hammerskin Nation has been stepping up recruitment lately, as has every other known extremist group across the nation.

On April 15, about 200 people, mostly white, showed up at Victorville's Tea Party. Some were not hesitant to vow that they'll take violent action if "Osama's" socialist policies continued unabated.

To the protestors, the economic crisis had exposed what their government had become: a big, meddling bureaucracy that had little regard for personal liberty. Socialism was a'coming to the USA, and it was hell-bent on exploiting honest, hardworking people like themselves—whether its being forced to bail out delinquent homeowners or having your jobs given to illegal immigrants.

While President Obama was talking about raising taxes, redistributing wealth and carelessly spending hundreds of billions of dollars on his banker buddies, their boys were coming back home from Afghanistan and Iraq thankless and jobless. Much of their anger was aimed at new residents: Hispanics, Asians and blacks.

Nowhere is this animosity more visible than on the local Internet forums. Here are just two of dozens of similar comments posted by readers on an article about Victorville's spike in crime rates by the Daily Press, a local daily:

married wrote:

Sheriff's can't pinpoint why there's an increase in crime? Geez even an idiot can tell you what the problem is – low-income housing, Juan and Shanana moving up here to get little Julio and Tyron away from the gangs, but not realizing they are the gang, and welfare money running out in the middle of the month. I can't wait to hear the remarks I'm gonna get on this comment. 5/2/2009 7:59:03 PM

sandynator wrote:

No surprise here, what do you expect with all the social engineering we had via Barney Frank and the dems, too many gangbangers got loans and moved on up to the high desert. Now we the citizen pay the price while the fat cats like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and BO laugh themselves silly. 5/2/2009 9:59:36 PM

The day after the nationwide Tea Party protests, channeling the spirit of Timothy McVeigh, the Department of Homeland Security released a perfectly timed report warning law enforcement agencies that America's shifting political landscape, the economic downturn and influx of returning vets all combined for a perfect storm likely to cause a swell in right-wing extremist organization activity.

The report cited evidence that extremist groups are stockpiling weapons and ammo in preparation for...something.

Republicans went on a partisan offensive slammed the report as an affront against our troops, but even a cursory look at Victorville shows how close to the bone the report really gets.


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$25 for a box of 25 9mm rounds? I'm in the wrong business!! I just paid $9 for 50 rounds!
1 posted on 09/24/2009 9:35:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sense that Yasha Levine wet his/her pants in Victorville in sheer terror.


2 posted on 09/24/2009 9:41:45 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The report cited evidence that extremist groups are stockpiling weapons and ammo in preparation for...something.

Yea, in preparation for self defense...in preparation for defending the constitution against marxist usurpers and thugs. Barack Hussein Obama was duly elected, and no one I know is ever considering or talking about over turning that.

But they do talk about the unconstitutional actions he is taking and how they fear a complete overthrow of constitutinal government by such an one...and a firm commitment in that undesired and unhoped for event to defend he constitution.


OBAMA IS A MARXIST IDEOLOGUE




INDEPENDENT AMERICAN MOVEMENT FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

3 posted on 09/24/2009 9:42:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Excessive target practice

There's no such thing.

4 posted on 09/24/2009 9:43:07 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We do our own ...


5 posted on 09/24/2009 9:46:48 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
$25 for a box of 25 9mm rounds?

Gotta be some of the new "home defense" rounds being sold to new gunowners. Although in NJ regular FMJ 9mm is about $14 a box, I've seen .45 ACP at $27.

6 posted on 09/24/2009 9:55:40 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: All
police departments have been forced to scale back on target practice, fearing that they won't have any bullets left for real police work.

What the heck? I thought real police work was footwork, investigations and catching the bad guy? Does it include summary executions now?

7 posted on 09/24/2009 9:57:25 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Lurker

sheesh!


8 posted on 09/24/2009 9:58:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"said Tom Metzger, the infamous leader of the white supremacist hate group White Aryan Resistance "

A race baiting load of crap from Mother Jonestown.

yitbos

9 posted on 09/24/2009 9:59:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: JrsyJack

I wish I could find some more .45 ACP......


10 posted on 09/24/2009 10:00:09 PM PDT by digital-olive
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

ROFL...guess they will have to go old school and beat you senseless with their nightsticks.


11 posted on 09/24/2009 10:00:25 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the ongoing ammo and reloading supply shortage is one of the more disturbing things I have observed, aside from the Manchurian Candidate becoming president and systematically destroying the political and security policies of the US.


12 posted on 09/24/2009 10:05:43 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$25 for a box of 25 9mm rounds? I’m in the wrong business!! I just paid $9 for 50 rounds!

No, Just the wrong location.


13 posted on 09/24/2009 10:06:34 PM PDT by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: digital-olive

Indoor ranges. They make their money selling lanes. In order for them to do that then need ammo, which of course they make money on but, nevertheless they do have ammo and at reasonable prices. Sort of.


14 posted on 09/24/2009 10:06:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
even people that don't own guns are hoarding ammunition "just in case."

Say what? When someone who doesn't know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge writes about ammo and guns, I tend not to believe anything they write.

15 posted on 09/24/2009 10:07:43 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: chainsaw

You must live in Idaho. I saw 45 for $11 and thought “Gee, if I wasn’t coming back on a plane, I would buy some”.

Still, we can get American Eagle 50 rounds for about $25 so it works out about the same.

$.50 per FMJ


16 posted on 09/24/2009 10:09:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Yep, I found my 9mm winclean at the range. The price was $17 for 50, which honestly isn’t all that much more than I paid years ago for it. I grabbed 3 boxes :)


17 posted on 09/24/2009 10:11:19 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
even people that don't own guns are hoarding ammunition "just in case."

Just in case what? Are they planning to eat it or try to sell it to gunowners at excessive prices when the SHTF? I don't think so...my 15 rounds in the mag ends the negotiations, period.

18 posted on 09/24/2009 10:14:04 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; LucyT; Fred Nerks
partly it's fueled by socioeconomic factors, racism and right-wing hate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nah, its fueled by those who do not trust a government that wants to make them subservient to the state rather than exist as a free people.

Its a social movement, and is the continuation of the self help resort to arms which founded our nation in 1776.

Thats hardly socioeconomic factor, racism and hate. Its sheer patriotism.

And do not forget such patriotism Yasha Levine. In the future, your life may come to depend on it.

And for those who say that preparedness for patriotic duty is hateful, and racist, it is obvious that they have forgotten the faces of their fathers:


19 posted on 09/24/2009 10:14:24 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: hsalaw

>> Earlier this month, one of the cars of a Jewish family was trashed inside and out, its engine destroyed and swastikas painted on its doors and hood.

So, Mr. Yasha (Jacob) Levine, as an honored member of the secular 90% of The Tribe, would that poor Jewish family have been better off with or without a few handguns and a small cache of ammo if these hakenkreuz-painting pseudo-Nutzys had decided to go a bit further?


20 posted on 09/24/2009 10:16:18 PM PDT by QBFimi2 (Ve are the New World Order; ve bring to the world dis-order. Spike Jones, 1943.)
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To: paul51

If you are in California, it sucks. .308 difficult and expensive. Nearly $50 per box 20.

Got lucky and found some at Walmart for $17/Winchester. Probably won’t see that again.

I have been in other states and .308 is difficult there as well. I don’t get it.

I go to the range and everyone on the line is shooting .223/5.56 and I mean everyone. Some guys have cases of the stuff and fire away. They have two sometimes 3 .223/5.56 configurations and just keep unloading.

I would think those would be in shortage. But, you can find them all day long and the prices are reasonable.

ditto .270 and .40. Which I just happen to not shoot.


21 posted on 09/24/2009 10:17:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

.308 has been near impossible to find all over. You’re right about the .223, I have seen cases of it stacked up in gunshops in PA, NJ and DE. Not imported surplus crap either, Remington UMC loads at about $.50 a round.


22 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:59 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This person is simply trying to justify the recent ammo restrictions passed by the senate and the assembly in CA, the bill is sitting on Ahhhnold’s desk waiting for him to sign it or veto it. I am hoping he will veto because it will never be over ridden, it only passed 18 to 21 in the house and it needs a 2/3 majority to override the veto.


23 posted on 09/24/2009 10:25:59 PM PDT by celestron71
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2DV

Were the days we'd check the gun stores for .30 carbine and Springfield surplus. Whether we paid $8 or $9 for a 100 depended on how far we had to drive to buy it.

yitbos

Now, the price for 32/40 today?

24 posted on 09/24/2009 10:40:18 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: JrsyJack

We’ve got a small hunting and fishing supply store here in Northern Wyoming, and somehow they have been able to keep a relatively good supply of ammo on their shelves. I’ve been stocking up on Winchester white box .308 and I just found a huge display of Hornady .223 both FMJ and SP.

Some stinking praire dog might get to taste some of the SP this weekend. Stinking Commie Praire Dogs!


25 posted on 09/24/2009 10:42:03 PM PDT by stumpjumper
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To: JrsyJack

We’ve got a small hunting and fishing supply store here in Northern Wyoming, and somehow they have been able to keep a relatively good supply of ammo on their shelves. I’ve been stocking up on Winchester white box .308 and I just found a huge display of Hornady .223 both FMJ and SP.

Some stinking praire dog might get to taste some of the SP this weekend. Stinking Commie Praire Dogs!


26 posted on 09/24/2009 10:43:38 PM PDT by stumpjumper
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To: Candor7
It is hardly socioeconomic, Guns and ammo are expensive. So what does that mean?

Racism and Hate? Get Real. I don't know anyone and I mean anyone who dislikes another person for their skin color. The hate thing, well, you are the one defining that. But, again, I don't know anyone who hates another human and wants to see harm to come another, much less be the one who perpetuates a violent act against another human being.

I know people who never agree with me and I would never have thought they would buy guns but, buy guns they have and they are stocked.

That is your people, Mother Jones, Barack and the DNC. Your people see something and where they previously had not ever considered buying a gun, they have.

They don't tell me what they see but, they will only say they want to be prepared. For what? I don't think they are being honest or they can't quite put their finger on it.

Trust me, it is everyone.

Maybe you can understand something they had previously thought was not in jeopardy. They fear for their lives, the lives of their family and safety. That's it. Nothing more.

I don't see anyone organizing and besides, who would we organize with? Skin heads? Uh sure? Like I said they are not those kind of people.

Militias? Okay, I see them everywhere. Not.

Patriotism? Please don't make me laugh. They voted for your guy because they believe Barry is going help heal the wounds we have created with other nations and their people. They voted for your guy because he was going to regain the respect of the world and their hope is that we will be seen as a benevolent country and loved.

Please get off your invented high horse and your fake intellect that is shallow as a dry creek bed.

Self Preservation is what you are seeing and we all hope to never engage in the act of defending our liberty or life.

Ever.

27 posted on 09/24/2009 10:44:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: stumpjumper

Whack-A-Mole


28 posted on 09/24/2009 10:45:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: JrsyJack

You are darn tootin. That .223 is the good stuff


29 posted on 09/24/2009 10:46:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mother Jones?? Is that commie rag still around? Jeeze! I figured those clowns would have all overdosed by now.


30 posted on 09/24/2009 10:49:02 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: digital-olive

try ammunitiontogo.com. Last I looked they had gotten a big shipment in. Still no .380. That’s the hardest to get.


31 posted on 09/24/2009 10:52:11 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Candor7

Nah, its fueled by those who do not trust a government that wants to make them subservient to the state rather than exist as a free people.
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BINGO!!! Moat people I know that are stockpiling fear they may have to protect their home and family against enemies, foreign or domestic.


32 posted on 09/24/2009 10:53:52 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Vendome

.223-5.56 was impossible to find last fall and winter. It began to show up again around May- June and now is in great supply in most places.


33 posted on 09/24/2009 10:56:13 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Tolsti2

Almost makes me want to get a .40 or 9mm. But, I bought for my own reasons. A friend is from the school of Army and likes to throw rounds down range. I guess, in the Army, their theory is more rounds down range equals greater percentage of hits.

That may be true and I don’t know.

My style is slow, smooth and placement.

They went through 250+ rounds with varying results, that didn’t make sense. This was their new and fancy AR type. I liked the gun okay but mine felt huskier and that is what I like.

M1A .308 60 rounds, multiple bullseye and groups of 4 inches at 100yrds. I know it could be better but I was using mixed rounds, hadn’t shot in 20 years and first time I used that gun.

Felt good and reminiscent of the M1 Garand I Qualified for marksman 30 years ago.

couple more days at the range and I could really get that down. Unfortunately all the longer ranges are 200 miles away so I won’t have the ability to set on 300, 400, 500 and 600 yrds.

I use to love hitting that plate at the 300 yrd but there ain’t one to be had around here.


34 posted on 09/24/2009 10:58:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hsalaw
The wonderful old 1958 Swiss classic guide to guerilla warfare, Total Resistance, by Major H. von Dach, points out that ammo is usually in shorter supply than weapons. As with all other supplies needed, methods to procure it are mentioned. :)

The book ends with these great closing remarks:

If two enemies fight each other to the last - and this is always the case when an ideology is involved (religion is part of it) - guerrilla warfare and civilian resistance will inevitably break out in the final phase.

The military expert who undervalues or even disregards guerrilla warfare makes a mistake since he does no take into consideration the strength of the heart.

The last, and admittedly, most cruel battle will be fought by civilians. It will be conducted under fear of deportation, of execution, and concentration camps.

We must and will win this battle since each Swiss male and female in particular believe in the innermost part of their hearts - even if they are too shy and sober in everyday life to admit or even to speak about it - in the old and yet very up-to-date saying: "Death rather than slavery!"

35 posted on 09/24/2009 10:59:23 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: mojitojoe

Dude! It just galls me that .308 is so limited. There is no one shooting it!

Except me.


36 posted on 09/24/2009 10:59:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: mojitojoe
"Moat people I know that are stockpiling fear they may have to protect their home and family against enemies, foreign or domestic"

An economic meltdown would be a pretty good reason to need protection.

yitbos

37 posted on 09/24/2009 11:04:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Vendome

I really like the 357 Sig round. Those have a lower demand and therefore a bit easier to get these days. And the performance, imo, is superior to everything but the .45. Not to say good 9mm ammo isn’t very effective either.


38 posted on 09/24/2009 11:10:59 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: mojitojoe

Awesome, thanks a bunch. Hopefully all of what I ordered is in stock.


39 posted on 09/24/2009 11:12:43 PM PDT by digital-olive
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To: Tolsti2

I like 357,have it and hope not to run to many rounds. A little rough after a while.


40 posted on 09/24/2009 11:19:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Bookmarked to read tomorrow


41 posted on 09/24/2009 11:31:26 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Vendome

If you live in California, I have 4 words for you...

Big Reno Gun Show


42 posted on 09/24/2009 11:39:05 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 50... 49... 48...)
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To: Vendome
It is hardly socioeconomic, Guns and ammo are expensive. So what does that mean?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nah, not expensive. You can buy a single shot 12 guage for 60 bucks. And the ammo is cheap too, less than $5.00 dollars for a box of 25 rounds.

Looks like you know little about guns, but that does not suprise me in the least.

Do you own even one? My guess is not.

Struck a nerve did I? Well you can rest assured that my community and neighborhood is populated by very like minded individuals, and we will never allow anyone, including any government authority, to remove our freedoms, or the enjoyment of our property in safety.We don't have to organize. We all believe in the same things. And we are all only a phone call and 10 minutes away, under arms if necessary.

Call it whatever you want. Whether you like it or not, Americans all across this country are ready to do the same. Thats the true meaning of the so called run on guns and ammo. We will never become subserviant to a state, Utopian or otherwise. The state exists to serve us and do as we direct in preservation of our security and personal freedoms. And we will do that job ourselves if the government fails in that duty, willfully or otherwise, as is our right and sworn duty as citizens of this Republic.

And so far the Obama Junta is implimenting policies that will cause government to fail in its duty to preserve our security, privacy, personal freedoms, and enjoyment of property.It doesn't take rocket science to figure out what could be next.And the lefties know that and are shivering already.They know where the line is and what it will cost them if they cross it.And if they want to test our resolve, let them. As a nation, its patriots are ready.

Now go and piss off in whatever cowardly closet you might have wandered from.LOL.

43 posted on 09/24/2009 11:55:13 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Vendome

357 Sig in my Glock is my main carry. It’s loud, and I mean loud.. Mule kick, but you know it’ll be effective. It’s a solid order of magnitude of power over the 9mm.


44 posted on 09/25/2009 12:16:40 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Candor7

That’s weird. You must be kidding. So you caught me. You are right. I own no guns and in fact, never shot one.

Too Scary. Loud noises you know. Guns are are dangerous and I don’t think anyone should have them.

They are assault weapons and designed to do one thing, kill people.

Honestly, why would you own a tool of violence? You should be able to talk your way out of violence. If not, call a policeman. They are the only ones who should have a weapon that visits so much violence on humans.

A piece of paper could really inflict serious damage to the human body and in the right hands, well, who knows. A thousand paper cuts could result in so much damage that no one would ever consider challenging you.

Seriously, your intellect is as hollow as an empty pickle barrel. If you pound it hard enough it cause some real damage to a persons ear drum.

The only thing that surprises you in the least is your abilty to shoot your mouth off with out csusing serious damange to yourself.

Anyway, your right, I don’t have any guns anymore. I was fishing last year and decided to clean my collection.

Sadly, a huge wave washed over the boat and my guns were thrown to Davy Jones Locker.

Now, I lie awake at night, in wistful prayer that the whole event never happened.

As far as being a coward, you are so perceptive and I shudder with shame, as my stories are mere imagination of competence, ability and shame that I am less than capable of performing the simplest task of shaving without cutting myself and damning the razor companies for making such a dangerous and freely available weapon of self destruction.

I will pray for courage, though it will likely never come.

Thank you for keeping me real and honest.

/s


45 posted on 09/25/2009 12:56:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

That was the longest sarcastic post I’ve ever read lol.


46 posted on 09/25/2009 2:36:01 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is perfectly good 9mm FMJ ammo available for $9.00/50.

The stuff for $25.00/25 is HP High End Self Defense Ammo:

Corbon, Gold Dot, Golden Saber, Etc.


47 posted on 09/25/2009 2:53:54 AM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My kid bought a Saiga automatic shotgun, Mosin and Dragonov from the former Soviet block. Had to pick them up at local gun dealers.
Then he ordered ammo for the Mosin and Dragonov from the same.
Ought to see the U.P.S. guy when he delivers two thousand rounds of ammo with soviet markings all over the wood boxes weighing a hundred pounds or so.
And its legal.
Me? I just like my little Kimber.


48 posted on 09/25/2009 3:14:44 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: catbertz

I had to stop, go to the bathroom and take a candor7


49 posted on 09/25/2009 4:00:27 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: JrsyJack

Not all would be doing it for that reason, at least not me. I would be doing it for protection. Guns are expensive, not everyone has one, but the ammo can be used by others in the neighborhood to protect the neigborhood, as well as barter for things they need that neigbors have.


50 posted on 09/25/2009 4:25:13 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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