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Bottom 70 Percent of Families Will Receive More Benefits Than They Pay in Taxes Under Obama Plan
Tax Foundation ^ | September 21, 2009

Posted on 09/25/2009 10:11:32 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Buckeye McFrog

“This trend really started rolling when Reagan expanded the EITC against all advice that this very thing would happen. The Gipper blew very few calls in his time, but this was certainly one of them. (Withdrawl of Marines from Lebanon and Sandra Day O’Connor the only others that come to mind)”

Amnesty.


21 posted on 09/25/2009 10:40:08 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: reaganaut1

That’s exactly what Barry meant about spreading the wealth around.


22 posted on 09/25/2009 10:42:11 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Only problem is the notion that you “get” services back from the Feds for what you pay is nonsense. Under this notion when you get to take your Mortgage Deduction off your taxes you are “getting” a service.

No, you are getting to KEEP your own money. That is not a “Service” from the Feds. This also ignore things like Gas taxes etc that we all pay to fund things almost NONE of us actually use, like Mass transit schemes. Even though those are useless, they are counted as “goods and services” we “get” from the Govt. No they are ego building projects foisted on us by politicians looking to hand out tax dollars to their campaign donors.

23 posted on 09/25/2009 10:43:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 regime: harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
If you pay me $12 for every $100 you make, but I give you back $20 in services, food, and direct cash payments, are you better off for it?

Not if its $20 in government delivered services. As a rule of thumb, 50% of any wealth that passes through the government's hands is destroyed. In general, civilian government workers cost much more than the free market value of their output.

24 posted on 09/25/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: DonaldC

25 posted on 09/25/2009 10:46:32 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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To: reaganaut1
Middle-income families, who are the targeted beneficiaries of many Obama policies, will receive $1.15 in government spending benefits for every dollar they pay in taxes.

I'm unclear on what they're counting as "benefits" for middle-income families. Are they all on food stamps? Or is the author counting things like the mortgage deduction as a "government spending benefit"?

26 posted on 09/25/2009 10:47:49 AM PDT by maryz
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To: PapaBear3625

Conservatives cannot compete with vote buying schemes. Free money yields votes. The only brake to vote buying schemes is a sharp economic decline probably involving a dollar decline and high unemployment. However, we may never recover from a dollar decline so conservatives may not be able to change the situation much. Conservatives would need solid control of government to affect any substantial change anyway. Even in 2004 - 2006, conservatives never had control of government.


27 posted on 09/25/2009 10:48:58 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: reaganaut1

If you believe this, you are a d@mn fool. This may indeed be the case for the first few years. But soon enough, that top 30% will figure out how to hide their assets better and taxes will have to go up yet again on the bottom 70%.


28 posted on 09/25/2009 10:50:14 AM PDT by Antoninus ("There is no movement," --G. W. Bush)
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To: reaganaut1

“...70 percent of American families will, as a group, be receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal tax.”

Then,IMHO, those 70% should not get to vote (more money out of my pocket).


29 posted on 09/25/2009 10:53:50 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Do you REALLY think Obama is just going to let us vote him out of office?)
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To: reaganaut1

Let’s think about this for a second...if the the top 30% become the main source for paying for all of these idiot ideas, it is only a matter of time before they feel that they now “own” the people that they are paying for. In all reality, it sounds like we are doing a 1,000 year full circle back to serfdom.


30 posted on 09/25/2009 11:03:25 AM PDT by Fedupwithit (The Constitution was written with a pen, and it was enforced with a gun. No one listens to a pen.)
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To: Antoninus
that top 30% will figure out how to hide their assets better and taxes will have to go up yet again on the bottom 70%

Any educated married couple who work will by the end of their working careers rise into the top 30%. A lot of this "class" division is artificial, the jealousy of a 20 year old for the earnings of a 40 year old when by the time he is 40 will have the same salary expectations.

31 posted on 09/25/2009 11:03:47 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: reaganaut1

As Margaret Thatcher stated, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”


32 posted on 09/25/2009 11:18:24 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: reaganaut1

And 95% of America will get a tax cut of $1.27...

Can’t wait!

Maroons...


33 posted on 09/25/2009 12:10:24 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: DonaldC

Well, you must admit that the risk from a 350 Billion Dollar deficit is quite a different thing than a 1.5 or 2 Trillion Dollar deficit.


34 posted on 09/25/2009 12:56:22 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: reaganaut1

There’s only so much income to divert. Wealth tax is next.


35 posted on 09/25/2009 2:25:58 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: reaganaut1
this will not happen...

the only way to pay for the bank bailouts etc is for the majority of serfs to pay something....so look for larger sales taxes, more taxes or fees on parks,entertainment,restaurants, car registration,etc....

look for SS taxes to go up....

look for the quality of anything govt to go down briskly....

the govt knows where the easy money is...

36 posted on 09/25/2009 11:06:12 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Diana, I've just stopped funding my 401k half way thru this year just because I am really afraid that the govt will take it over as they please....

I agree with you....the more money you make "on the books" the more money they tax...

I'd love to see more bartering and more under the table dealing....

we've got to get it into our heads that our govt is truely a monster and we have to starve the monster....

37 posted on 09/25/2009 11:10:30 PM PDT by cherry
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