And a Scientologist thinks Xeno is objectively fact. Doesn't make it real either. The Thetans he's dealing with are objectively fact. They have experienced the Truth too. At least according to you.
The more you indulged in misguided study, the further into error you fell.
The misguided study started with the Bible then. And it included apologetics suggested by Christians I knew who thought they would bring me back into the fold. They were wrong.
That you falsely call my remarks “nasty and personal” is so absurd
Perfectly grounded. You basically called me ignoble, unreputable and adolescent. Yes, you started with the personal insults. You even added foolish in this post. Yes, it reflects poorly on you and on all Christians. Yes, this nasty attitude is one thing that keeps me away. I simply don't want to be associated with such hateful people.
although you God-haters
There you go again with the lies. Well, you seem fond of quotes, so I'll leave you with this one:
"I like Jesus. It's his fan club I can't stand."
Okay, one more time, just out of a sense of duty. This is absolutely the last time I’m going to try to reason with you, so try to understand this time.
You are not rebutting my statements; you are addressing misunderstandings and distortions of what I have said.
“And a Scientologist thinks Xeno is objectively fact. Doesn’t make it real either. The Thetans he’s dealing with are objectively fact. They have experienced the Truth too.”
Back in note 38 I talked about the elephant in the living room that “skeptics” never, ever face, referring to my earlier statement that the existence of God has been empirically demonstrated to me. Now, days later, you still can’t even acknowledge the substance of the assertion, instead pretending that I am merely saying that I have a belief so strong that it assumes the character of knowledge.
That’s not what I am saying. You’ve had days to ask, but even after I repeated it and virtually rubbed your face in it, you’re still too scared even to let yourself understand the substance of my assertion.
Out of fear—not of me, but of what your intellect might discover if you took it off the leash—you equate what I am saying to a scientologist’s artificial belief in something he has never directly experienced. Scientologists have not “experienced the Truth,” because they have never physically been in the presence of a Thetan. They may believe, but they have not experienced.
“The misguided study started with the Bible then.”
It’s a poor workman who blames his tools. The problem is not with the Bible.
“and it included apologetics suggested by Christians I knew who thought they would bring me back into the fold. They were wrong.”
Of course. Anyone can “study,” but only those with open minds can learn. Scholarship is not easy, and theological scholarship is most difficult of all.
“You basically called me ignoble, unreputable and adolescent.”
Let’s be charitable and assume that you were actually…odd…enough to believe that on your first reading, unlikely as that prospect is.
Your error was subsequently explained to you, quite clearly. You have no excuse for thinking or saying that I “basically called” you those things. You are now aware that I referred to a behavior, a philosophical and theological position, and not to any person. And yet you continue to repeat the accusation, thereby transforming it from human error to groundless lie.
“Yes, this nasty attitude is one thing that keeps me away. I simply don’t want to be associated with such hateful people.”
Arrant nonsense. The only thing you find objectionable about my attitude is that I stand my ground and call fouls as they occur. It is because you can’t admit that—even to yourself—that you try to “win” the discussion by attributing bad motives to me, by inventing chimerical “insults” and trying on that basis to claim the moral high ground.
Yes, I am fond of quotations, particularly those of men more intelligent, wise, charitable, and/or holy than I. I think I’ll just throw in that Thomas Sowell quotation again, as it is so apt.
“It is amazing how many people think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them. Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic.”
“I like Jesus. It’s his fan club I can’t stand.”
That particular theological error is so easily demonstrated that it’s actually a little embarrassing that you put it out there with a straight face.