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Politics as religion in America [hilarious liberal fears]
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 10/2/09 | Neal Gabler

Posted on 10/05/2009 2:35:40 AM PDT by Ron C.

For decades now, liberals have been agonizing because conservatives seem to win even when polls show that the public generally disagrees with them. In their postmortems, liberals have placed blame on the way they frame their message, or on the right-wing media drumbeat that drowns out everything else, or on the right's co-opting of the flag, Mom and apple pie, which is designed to make liberals seem like effete, hostile foreign agents.

It's understandable that liberals prefer to think of their subordination as a matter of their own inadequacies or of conservative wiles. Theoretically, you can learn how to improve your message or how to match wits with adversaries, and a lot of liberal hand-wringing has been dedicated to doing just that. But it is becoming increasingly clear that liberals haven't just been succumbing to superior message control, or even to a superior political narrative (conservatives' frontier individualism versus liberals' communitarianism). They are up against something far more intractable and far more difficult to defeat. They are up against religion.

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A liberal soon-to-be-relative pointed to the article, saying that it was "a profoundly insightful and disturbing take on the current political climate in the United States."

I found it absolutely hilarious - laughing all the way through it... so I had to share the laughs with fellow FReepers!

1 posted on 10/05/2009 2:35:40 AM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

Liberals complain they are fighting against religion, but what they are really fighting against is basic ethics.


2 posted on 10/05/2009 2:40:31 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: Ron C.
When the very first sentence contains an obvious lie, it doesn't follow that the rest of the article is going to be profoundly insightful. Poll after poll demonstrates that the general public is right of center, that is, the country leans conservative. That is a fact, whether liberals like it or not.

I'm tellin' ya, sometimes I get the feeling that other countries are reading this dribble and laughing their ass off at the breathtaking ignorance in this country. It's like a third of our citizens are acting like North Koreans. Completely oblivious to everything except their dear leader.

3 posted on 10/05/2009 2:48:17 AM PDT by csense
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To: Ron C.
on the right-wing media drumbeat that drowns out everything else,

OK, let's just stop and ponder this thought for a minute.

Nope, not working

Still not getting there.

ain't gonna happen

I just couldn't grasp it.

4 posted on 10/05/2009 2:49:59 AM PDT by Jemian (For the first time in my life I'm proud of the IOC.)
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To: Ron C.

To beat your opponent you need to understand them. Problem is, if Liberal understand Conservatives well enough, they’ll become Conservatives, thus Liberals will never have the brain power who understand their enemy

While Conservatives understand Liberals perfectly. We don’t fool ourselves. We know what we’re up against.


5 posted on 10/05/2009 2:54:34 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Ron C.
Fascinating. The writer knows, or pretends to know, nothing of American history.

The Revolution was preached from the pulpit (a very liberal minister, Jonathan Mayhew fired the first shot). Abolition, woman's sufferage, temperance, the fight against Jim Crow were all intensely religious efforts. I suspect this writer would have had no problem with most of that or with the Rev. William Sloan Coffin and the Berrigan brothers involvement in protesting against the Viet Nam war.

The essence of conservatism is it does look to the culture, to faith to improve society. Law and politics are the last resorts.

6 posted on 10/05/2009 2:54:38 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: 4rcane

A first step, is to stop viewing your enemies as evil. Conservatives believe they have a better idea to help the poor that is different to Liberals


7 posted on 10/05/2009 2:58:51 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Ron C.
... which is designed to make liberals seem like effete, hostile foreign agents.

"Seem"? I thought they were.

8 posted on 10/05/2009 3:07:22 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Ron C.

Read later


9 posted on 10/05/2009 3:17:08 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Ron C.
This article COULD BE 100% dead-bang on, provided, this clueless, far left moron, substituted Libtards for Conservatives.

If there is ANY single group who has embraced liberal politics as their "religion" and worship at the altar of the Central-Planning-Big-Gubmint-Nanny-State, it is the left and their approach is that with the zeal and fervor, not usually seen with even the most religious zealot of any faith or denomination--well, perhaps with the exception of the Islamo-Fascist, which btw, the left routinely defends, if not embraces.

One big pile of bovine excrement and I believe the term "projection" comes to mind?

10 posted on 10/05/2009 3:19:01 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: R. Scott
... which is designed to make liberals seem like effete, hostile foreign agents.

"Seem"? I thought they were.

They were from the git-go too. When Federalists warne of factions, warned of Jacobins and atheists, warned Americans not to side with the French Revolution, they were warning of the danger of liberalism. In fact, the word "democrat" entered the American political lexicon as an accusation, not a label many attached to themselves. Jefferson ran from it and declared himself a republican. Only once they got power in 1800 did liberals start to slowly admit they were "democrats".

11 posted on 10/05/2009 3:21:30 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

It’s classic projection. Leftists seem to honestly believe they treated Bush nicely and are therefore shocked to see even 1/10 the bile they had on Bush thrown at hussein.


12 posted on 10/05/2009 3:23:49 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Ron C.
(conservatives' frontier individualism versus liberals' communitarianism).

See even Neal admits what liberalism is. And IF liberalism really was/is the utopia liberals claim it is then why after owning all three branches of government are they still raging. Liberalism is and always has been a destroying force by depriving individualism from each individual.

Given what Neal has to say about conservatives I can't wait to see how he glorifies the old 'lion' of the senate.

13 posted on 10/05/2009 3:33:01 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Ron C.
"the way they frame their message"

AND WHAT EXACTLY WOULD THAT BE? SEEMS TO ME THEY DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEIR MESSAGE IS, BECAUSE IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST AMERICA AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

All we see is framing, because the message is completely unpalatable.

They're not "liberal" anyway. They're tribal leftists.
14 posted on 10/05/2009 3:35:29 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Ron C.

Also important, Democrats would not get anywhere unless they were voted for by constituencies who are NOT AT ALL liberal by nature, but vote Dem for other reasons.


15 posted on 10/05/2009 3:36:36 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Ron C.

This from the party that worships government as god. Creator of all that is good, the source of all blessings and sustenance. The all seeing, all knowing god that lays low the wicked capitalist and showers the spoils upon the anointed.

So, tell me again why government employees need unions if government as god is their messiah and savior?


16 posted on 10/05/2009 3:40:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Ron C.

“...when in a war, foreign or intestine, the enemies get a final victory, so as, the forces of the Commonwealth keeping the field no longer, there is no further protection of subjects in their loyalty, then is the Commonwealth dissolved, and every man at liberty to protect himself by such courses as his own discretion shall suggest unto him.”

Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan, 1651


17 posted on 10/05/2009 3:41:00 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Ron C.
the right's co-opting of the flag, Mom and apple pie, which is designed to make liberals seem like effete, hostile foreign agents.

that might be because we FLY the flag-not walk on it, we love our Mom, NOT heather has TWO MOMMIES and we eat real apple pie not tofu pie.

18 posted on 10/05/2009 3:41:34 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: csense
"I'm tellin' ya, sometimes I get the feeling that other countries are reading this dribble and laughing their ass off at the breathtaking ignorance in this country"

Your feelings are well founded.

19 posted on 10/05/2009 3:42:33 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
it is the left and their approach is that with the zeal and fervor, not usually seen with even the most religious zealot of any faith or denomination--well, perhaps with the exception of the Islamo-Fascist, which btw, the left routinely defends, if not embraces.

The sadomasochistic tendencies of the Islamists and treatment of women is rooted in their latent homoeroticism... i.e., ROMAN POLANSKI!!!

(Also note the misogynist attack on Miss California by the Hollyweird gaystapo.)

A cursory psychoanalysis of the masochistic left in the West will find that most of those submissive, feminized males are most often allied with Islam because of such militant, misogynist attitudes in their deviant thinking concerning sexuality. Like Islamics, nothing sets them off more than any criticism at all, even if it is founded in the facts of biological reality.

Like the National Socialists and their minions, the Gaystapo and Islamofaggots want you to submit as well...

20 posted on 10/05/2009 3:52:59 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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