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The State of U.S. Manufacturing
Foreign Exchange Daily ^ | October 2nd 2009 | Marc Chandler

Posted on 10/05/2009 4:25:24 AM PDT by expat_panama

The United States has been hollowed out. It no longer manufactures goods. Once the factory of the world, the U.S. now manufactures debt. The high wage manufacturing jobs have been out-sourced to low wage economies. The demise of U.S. manufacturing is at the core of the decline of America, its chronic trade deficits and growing international indebtedness. It makes the world’s savers reluctant to be exposed to the U.S. dollar.

There is one problem with this widely held view: It is factually wrong.

The value of U.S. manufacturing output in real terms (adjusted for inflation) was a little more than $3 trillion in 2008. That is up from $1.2 trillion in 1972. If the U.S. manufacturing sector was a separate country, it would be the world’s 5th largest economy (behind the rest of the U.S., Japan, China and Germany). The U.S. remains the world’s largest manufacturer. Full stop.

Although international comparisons are fraught with measuring problems, it appears that the U.S. share of world manufacturing is roughly the same as the combined total of the BRICs (Brazil, India and Russia account for a combined 11-12% share).

The data also suggests that the impressive rise of Chinese manufacturing has come at the expense of Japan and other East Asian countries more than the United States, which the UN data suggests actually saw a small rise of its global share in recent years.

China has largely injected itself into the production chain at the labor intensive stages, so that television or electronic good that may have been made in Japan or Taiwan or South Korea now says made in China.

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(Excerpt) Read more at realclearmarkets.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: base; bhoeconomy; economy; globaleconomy; jobs; manufacturing; trade
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1 posted on 10/05/2009 4:25:25 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Here is another chart that shows mfg as a percentage of gdp versus workers. Technology and the subsequent increases in productivity are what have cost manufacturing jobs.

Of course, there are still a lot of people that would like to use it against free trade, which has had nothing to do with it. Photobucket

2 posted on 10/05/2009 4:38:11 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: expat_panama

Interesting take on the decline of Manufacturing Jobs.


3 posted on 10/05/2009 4:38:24 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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4 posted on 10/05/2009 4:40:27 AM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: wolfcreek; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot; Mase; investigateworld; E. Pluribus Unum; Palin Republic; ...
iirc the old line is "the US shipped its manufacturing base overseas."  The facts are there, but anyone married to an opinion isn't going to let reality get in their way.
5 posted on 10/05/2009 4:40:52 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

All true. Eventually, about fifty million workers will be able to produce all the manufactured goods the world needs, and fifty million farmers will produce all the food.

When that happens, what will everyone else do?


6 posted on 10/05/2009 4:43:22 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: A.Hun

GDP counts government spending as production. So lower manufacturing as a percentage of GDP is misleading since government spending has grown enormously since ‘46.


7 posted on 10/05/2009 4:46:57 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: expat_panama
Here's the gist of the problem: our national and state income tax laws drove a lot of the manufacturing jobs out of the country.

ANYTHING to encourage personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA would go a LONG way to reversing this situation, whether by a drastically simplified income tax that rewards personal savings and capital investment, a 4-6% no-deductions flat income tax, or the FairTax replacement for the income tax.

8 posted on 10/05/2009 4:47:43 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: proxy_user
When that happens, what will everyone else do?

They will work a lot less and have a lot more. Just as you work a lot less than your grandparents and have a lot more than they did.

9 posted on 10/05/2009 4:48:24 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: expat_panama

The dollar value is not adjusted for inflation, is it?


10 posted on 10/05/2009 4:53:20 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: expat_panama
Well I guess if you are going to redefine mining and food processing as manufacturing any thing is possible.
11 posted on 10/05/2009 4:58:28 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: expat_panama

Much of our manufacturing tech has been sold and shipped overseas with nary a thought for consequence. Recall rare-earth magnets used in guidance systems?
Manufacturing employment is an important indicator of the economy’s health as it provides opportunity for those without MBA degrees to support their families and put their minds into a productive process. I’d like to see this number also adjusted for non-food manufacturing, because much more of our food is processed today than ever before. This is not to suggest restrictive trade policy but perhaps saner tax, enviro and reg policies which might help struggling small manufacturers who would like to keep things close to home.


12 posted on 10/05/2009 4:59:54 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: SeeSharp

Actually, I don’t, unless you look at new tech.


13 posted on 10/05/2009 5:00:55 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: expat_panama

OK, if I read rather than scan...


14 posted on 10/05/2009 5:03:00 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: A.Hun
 The report had manufacturing output it as dollar value.  The Fed's Industrial production index also shows output soaring .

Your post showed a percentage that came out level.   The BEA didn't seem to show percent output numbers, do you have a link to the numbers?

15 posted on 10/05/2009 5:05:22 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: SeeSharp
Government spending does count as part of GDP. However, it would be deficit spending that actually skews the GDP figure. (All government spending except deficits is based on taxes based on wealth production).

Deficit spending has accounted for on average about 3% of GDP (until Obama), so it should not affect the mfg % by more than a small factor.

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16 posted on 10/05/2009 5:08:40 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: steve8714
Manufacturing employment is an important indicator of the economy’s health...

When my Dad was born half the nation worked on farms and everyone said farm employment was economic health.  Now farm labor is half a percent.  Simply deciding to like farms or to love factories doesn't make sense.  It may be true love but it won't feed the family.

17 posted on 10/05/2009 5:12:50 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

The actual concern here would be what happened to all those people who lost their jobs and their economic input.


18 posted on 10/05/2009 5:14:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: SeeSharp

That is not the thrust of my question.

Let me rephrase: if we all get rich, how will we prevent the Devil from finding work for idle hands?

In the past, grim necessity kept most people to the straight and narrow. How will this work in an affluent society?


19 posted on 10/05/2009 5:14:56 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: expat_panama

I’ll look, but I might have to get back later (fixing to leave for work). My chart was based on % of GDP so it does not show how great the increase in GDP has been (especially during the last eight years.)


20 posted on 10/05/2009 5:15:08 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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