Skip to comments.OPINION: Don't force medical pros to get H1N1 vaccine
Posted on 10/06/2009 9:49:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
The New York State Health Commissioner's new mandate that all health care workers be vaccinated against both the seasonal and the swine flu this fall could qualify as the major public health blunder of the year, because it is likely to backfire.
Flu has been rightly characterized as a "slippery disease" that can mutate quickly and unpredictably, which means that planning for flu epidemics must be flexible and should be reviewed regularly as evidence of disease spread and severity accumulates.
We are already experiencing the beginning of a second wave of swine flu, the 2009 H1N1 influenza. Effective response will require cooperation of the public, and such cooperation (in actions such as getting vaccinated, social distancing and staying home when sick) will happen only if the public trusts its health officials.
Surveys have noted an erosion in public trust of government officials, but continued confidence in physicians and nurses. In this context, persuasion based on science, ethics and prudence, not on legal threats, should be the mandatory course of action for public health officials.
Physicians and nurses, educated and licensed professionals, dedicated to their patients' health and welfare, do have an ethical obligation to take all reasonable steps to protect their patients. During a threatened flu pandemic, like swine flu, this includes, I think, getting a swine flu vaccination.
So why not require vaccination if they refuse? There are at least four reasons.
The first is symbolic: The practice of medicine (and nursing) is a voluntary one based on informed choice - and will hopefully remain this way. Forcing physicians and nurses to become unconsenting patients - even for a flu shot - undermines the consensual nature of the health care relationship, and at least suggests that if health care professionals can be forced to take a vaccination for the
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It ain't gonna get better.
"7 days a week 365 days a year" , that's how.
Nothing bad can live in your blood if ph is kept close to this mark.
Garlic oil capsules, that's how.
That reminds me I'm going to one now.
If I'm thrust into a crowd of sicko's, I take one every couple of hours.
Yeah, you'll prolly burp it up a bit, but it beats being sick.
Hmmmm....maybe that’s why my husband got the flu this summer, and I did not....I take garlic.....HMMMMM.
It’s the WHOLE state! The mandate is statewide. The company I work for is HQ’d in MA - I’m just waiting for them to decide what I must do... Apparently working with the sniffles isn’t an option this year...
My brother-in-law roasts garlic on the bbq - it’s awesome...
But simple does not equal immoral profit.
Enter corpo/gov/medical collaboration.
These evil creeps will never tell you the simple fix.
I’m Italian. I have aunts that are in their 90’s. One of them still works and takes trips to Vegas..
Hmmm, yet, if someone in your family dies from the swine flu that they caught from their nurse or doctor because the nurse or doctor opted out of the vaccine, would we then have to listen to posters here decry how incompetent and unprepared the medical establishment was?
Seems like they’re danged if they do and danged if they don’t.
Yep Italians and Phillipinos seem to out live us all. (sure must be a few other blood lines with longevity)
Which reminds me time to go chop some fresh basil and garlic and get my sauce going. : )
(no I am not Italian)
If I go to the hospital, and get the flu from one of my healthcare workers, I will sue them.
I’m not alone.
Yes, healthcare workers need to be vaccinated, or quit.
How would they determine that? They aren’t even testing people for the swine flu anymore. At least, they’re not testing people here. The VIRUS went through Tucson rather quickly in the Spring. It’s hitting again right now, infecting those who missed out earlier in the year. Our household was ill with it before it became the thing. Should we have the vaccine? Should the nurses/doctors who’ve already had the VIRUS take the vaccine?
If I were working, and they insisted I get vaccinated with THIS vaccine, I would refuse and quit.
Try to prove in a suit who gave you what virus with a virus that is transmitted in the air.
See if you can find some safety data on the Swine Flu vaccine and then compare it to the safety data of other vaccines and look at how long the FDA insists recepients of vaccine are followed for reactions.
I’m sorry, but your response doesn’t really answer my question. I’m not advocating a position to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. Nor was I inquiring about the current state of H1N1 anti-bodies in your family (Obviously, anyone testing positive for anti-bodies is already immune, but you say Arizona is no longer testing, so how can you know without being tested?).
I’m asking that if you were to lose someone to a non-vaccinated medical worker (implying that you can show this to be the case), would you then complain about the medical establishment and sue?
I think most people would, including me. I think you would too.
My experience is that sick health care workers do not deal with very sick patients in hospitals. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but we’ve had doctors postpone procedures because of their own illness(es). It would have been neglectful for them to do surgery while contagious.
Would we sue a doctor/nurse/health care facility that knowingly had sick workers dealing with patients? It depends on the illness. Swine flu is a short lived virus. TB or hepatitis or AIDS would be another story.
Are you insane????
How about fresh garlic? Wouldn’t that work just as well?
As a nurse I WILL NOT take the H1N1 shot this year. It is too new and too untested. I am not sure that a) it will work and b) it is safe.
The goobermint, and my employer if necessary, can kiss my @ss.
There cheap and ready in grocery stores everywhere, and it takes only seconds to dose up to proper protection.
It works so well that way back in the day of the great plagues, robbers used to uberdose up on it to rob the dead.
PROVE you got the flu from me, FRiend.
Can’t be done.
“healthcare workers need to be vaccinated or quit”
I sincerely hope that most of them do walk out and then see who you are left with to treat you at the hospital. I can almost guarantee you that it won’t be the people who have done their research. Look up the adjuvant”squalene” and see if you want to be the first in line.
It appears they are recommending 2 shots to children under the age of 9.
It has to be a terrible decision parents have to make regarding risky side effects of the vaccine vs possible death from the swine flu. What to do??
For me, I'm not taking the shot..
It is simple, I know it's loads of fun to scare people and run up loads of profit with good old corpo-nazi chemical medicine or whatever one likes to call the giant money eater we've created in the past 100 years.
But, it's too big now.
Like the kid who wanted a little alligator, sure it was cute at first.
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