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Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law
NaturalNews ^ | October 9 2009 | Mike Adams

Posted on 10/09/2009 4:59:37 AM PDT by Brown Deer

(NaturalNews) Health freedom attorney Jim Turner is filing a lawsuit in Washington D.C. mid-day Friday in an urgent effort to halt the distribution of the swine flu vaccine in America. On behalf of plaintiffs Dr. Gary Null and other licensed health care workers of New York State, the lawsuit charges that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of four swine flu vaccines by failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.

"The suit will seek an injunction against the FDA from approving the vaccine," attorney Jim Turner told NaturalNews on Thursday evening's Natural News Talk Hour show. "And the core of the argument is that they have not done the proper safety and efficacy tests on the vaccine to allow it to be release at this time."

The suit seeks to not only nullify the FDA's unlawful "approval" of the four H1N1 influenza vaccines, but to also ask the court to issue an injunction that would halt any mandatory vaccination requirements.

"The FDA is required by law to establish that a vaccine is safe and effective before it can be given to the public," said Turner. "We are arguing that they did not establish that the vaccine was effective, and did not establish that it was safe. They are trying to get it on the market by a waiver."

Vaccine / adjuvant combination has never been properly tested

The vaccine / adjuvant combination being referred to as the "swine flu vaccine" has apparently never been safety tested or approved by the FDA. In fact, in many cases the vaccine is being sent to clinics, pharmacies and other health establishments separately from the adjuvant chemical, leaving it up to each local vaccine retailer to properly mix the vaccine with the adjuvant, according to information provided by Turner. With hundreds of millions of Americans potentially being targeted with this vaccine, the potential for improper mixing, improper dosages, and human error is alarming.

If the charges described in the lawsuit are true, it means the FDA has blatantly abandoned medical science and violated its own regulations in approving not only these four vaccines, but the potentially deadly adjuvant chemicals as well. To date, the FDA has produced absolutely no scientific evidence documenting safety tests for any of these swine flu vaccines. There are no published studies, no records of any clinical trials, and no publicly-available paper trail demonstrating that any safety testing was done whatsoever. There is no researcher who has publicly put their name on the record declaring the vaccines to be safe, and no FDA official has ever stated that scientifically-valid safety testing has ever been conducted on the vaccine / adjuvant combinations now being distributed across America.

Normally, when a pharmaceutical achieves "FDA approved" status, there is a considerable paper trail of scientific scrutiny, peer review, clinical trials and other supporting evidence. To our knowledge, no such documents exist for the swine flu vaccines. The FDA's approval of these vaccines appears to be based entirely on a whim.

"What has been tested?" asked attorney Jim turner. "Where has it been tested? Who reviewed the test? Who looked at the test and said yes they proved safety and efficacy? There is no record that we can find that shows these things have been done."

By approving the four vaccines in the absence of such safety testing, the FDA itself stands in direct violation of federal law. "There is a law that they're supposed to follow and they are not following it," Turner added.

Billions of dollars are at stake

Why, then, did the FDA apparently violate the law and push these vaccines into full public distribution without securing the safety testing required by law? Turner suspects a profit motive may be involved: "They're charging $24.95 to get a vaccine. Multiplied by 100 million people, that's a lot of money. If you do the whole society, you're talking about several billion dollars."

In fact, the U.S. vaccination push could ultimately target over 200 million Americans, generating nearly $5 billion in vaccine-related revenues. Cashing in on those revenues, however, requires three things:

1) Spreading fear about H1N1 swine flu by exaggerating its dangers.

2) Quickly making a vaccine available for sale, even if it has never been thoroughly tested for safety and efficacy.

3) Aggressively marketing the vaccines before the H1N1 swine flu fizzles out and can no longer be hyped up as "highly virulent."

All three of these conditions are now being pushed aggressively in the U.S. by pharma-influenced health authorities at both the state and federal level. There is a mad, cult-like rush under way to vaccinate American citizens with an unproven, untested chemical that was thrust into distribution in apparent violation of federal law. And if this vaccine is not stopped, the price that may ultimately be paid in terms of lost lives could be quite dire.

It all harkens back to 1976 when a previous formulation of the swine flu vaccine paralyzed and killed thousands of Americans. Turner was one of the attorneys instrumental in halting that vaccine, and he fears a repeat situation could potentially recur today. He told NaturalNews, "[In 1976] they were intending to inoculate 200 million people. We stopped them... and somewhere between 40 and 50 million people were vaccinated. What ultimately brought it down is that a substantial number of people got 'French Polio' [Guillain-Barre syndrome], a paralysis that goes... through the body, and if it goes far enough you die."


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KEYWORDS: fda; flu; lawsuit; swineflu; vaccine
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"It takes on average 12 years and over US$350 million to get a new drug from the laboratory onto the pharmacy shelf. Once a company develops a drug, it undergoes around three and a half years of laboratory testing, before an application is made to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to begin testing the drug in humans. Only one in 1000 of the compounds that enter laboratory testing will ever make it to human testing." --- FDA Approval Process

and they developed and got this vaccine on the market in just a few months time? ;-)

1 posted on 10/09/2009 4:59:38 AM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer

Snowball chance in hell of winning, but the right thing to do to make the effort. These guys are trying to save a lot of lives, and maybe the news reports alone will open some people’s eyes to the true story. Glenn Beck tried yesterday.


2 posted on 10/09/2009 5:01:29 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: Brown Deer

Heard this evening that the two Obama daughters WILL NOT be vaccinated for H1N1.

Now I wonder what the First Family knows that the rest of us aren’t supposed to know?


3 posted on 10/09/2009 5:05:39 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Brown Deer
A friend's son was advised by a doctor he had the *regular* *seasonal* flu recently and was prescribed Tamiflu.

Even with insurance, the cost was over $100 for 5 doses.

Whether this vaccine is good or bad, profits are definitely at the forefront.

4 posted on 10/09/2009 5:11:10 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Will someone follow the money? What drug companies are involved? How much money did they get? And what political party do they contribute to?


5 posted on 10/09/2009 5:16:53 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: wolfcreek
As I understand it Tamiflu has nasty side affects.

It should not be given to kids unless really necessary.

6 posted on 10/09/2009 5:17:45 AM PDT by DB
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To: SatinDoll
Heard this evening that the two Obama daughters WILL NOT be vaccinated for H1N1.

Makes sense since they live in a bubble and don't have to associate with the great unwashed. However, it still speaks volumes.
7 posted on 10/09/2009 5:17:57 AM PDT by Dewey Revoltnow (People don't respect that which they don't earn.)
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To: Brown Deer

“And the core of the argument is that they have not done the proper safety and efficacy tests on the vaccine to allow it to be release at this time.”

Considering how many TRULY important drugs are DENIED or DELAYED because of the FDA’s multi-stage approval process, it's rather remarkable how they just cut through their own red tape to fast track a vaccine to the public, combining Squalene (Shark Liver Oil) and Thiomersal (Mercury - C9H9HgNaO2S) — without thoroughly testing it.


8 posted on 10/09/2009 5:20:55 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Brown Deer

If only the FDA would get out of the way for other promising treatments.


9 posted on 10/09/2009 5:23:55 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SatinDoll

Source?


10 posted on 10/09/2009 5:30:12 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: SatinDoll

they live in a “bubble” and don’t have access to the “little people”


11 posted on 10/09/2009 5:32:44 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: Brown Deer

The FDA has already violated their own rules regarding proper testing procedures at least once, after the EPA mandated the replacement of CFC propellants (used in asthma and respiratory inhalers). These propellants had an ~ 50 year safety record, and the replacements were never fully tested. They have proved to be a decidedly inferior replacement.

This was a purely political decision to ‘save the ozone layer’. I’m certain the H1N1 vaccine falls in the same category - driven by politics not science or medicine.


12 posted on 10/09/2009 5:34:07 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: DB

He’as 15 and was getting better at the time of the doctor visit. His parents didn’t purchase the drugs.


13 posted on 10/09/2009 5:44:14 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Brown Deer
The vaccine / adjuvant combination being referred to as the "swine flu vaccine" has apparently never been safety tested or approved by the FDA


Typical. Either it has or it hasn't. But not knowing that doesn't stop someone from trying to use the situation to draw attention to his cause.
14 posted on 10/09/2009 5:47:27 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Brown Deer
Good! Good!

However:
1. Breaking the law? They don't care.

2. Some will suffer life threatening side effects? They don't care.

You are being much too rational. The motivation for desiring to inoculate everyone in the country is mostly left wing emotionalism. Sorta like global warming. Create an imaginary crisis, then save everyone from it.

They'll need to strap me to a gurney and force into my arm. IOW, we won't be getting it.

15 posted on 10/09/2009 5:50:07 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Barack H. Obama and the Democrats are enemies of American way of Life.)
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To: SatinDoll

Gee, even the Bangkok Post is concerned about Obama’s flu shot. I like how he says he’ll do what his doctor says - what, not what Governor Patrick says or Sebelius?

Obamas to get swine flu vaccine
Published: 20/09/2009 at 10:21 PM
Online news: Breakingnews

America’s first family will get vaccinated against swine flu when they are advised to, President Barack Obama said in a television interview broadcast Sunday.

“We want to get vaccinated. We think it’s the right thing to do. We will stand in line like everybody else and when folks say it’s our turn, that’s when we’ll get it,’’ Obama told CNN’s “State of the Union.’’

With the northern hemisphere entering its autumn flu season and infection rates again beginning to spike, many Americans are waiting for the first deliveries of (A)H1N1 vaccines, expected to come in the first weeks of October.

The emergency services personnel and others who are at risk or vulnerable, including pregnant women and children with underlying conditions, will be first to get the vaccine.

“After that, I think, you’re looking at kids, so Malia and Sasha would fall into that category,’’ Obama said referring to his two young daughters. “I suspect that I may come fairly far down the line.’’

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said last week that the flu season had begun earlier than normal and that the number of detected cases had risen.

“The Obama family plan is to call up my HHS (Health and Human Services) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, and my CDC director, and just ask them, what’s your recommendation? And whatever they tell me to do, I will do,’’ Obama said.

Worldwide, at least 3,205 people have died of the virus since it was uncovered in Mexico in April, according to the World Health Organization. The United States has confirmed more than 600 swine flu-related deaths.

The US government has purchased 195 million doses of swine flu vaccine and will make shots against the influenza A(H1N1) virus available free of charge starting next month.


16 posted on 10/09/2009 5:55:18 AM PDT by small farm girl
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To: Brown Deer

I am recovering from both flu (may be H1N1 but was not tested) and pneumonia. As flus go ... hurts more in the joints but does not last the 2 weeks that I have experienced with other flus.


17 posted on 10/09/2009 6:17:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

Flu came to my home yesterday. Doc appointment this afternoon.
Oddly this is the first time I’ve scheduled a doctor appointment for the flu.


18 posted on 10/09/2009 6:39:36 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: sunny48

I would say the first 72 hrs are the worst. If you can avoid getting really really sick during that time, it should pass quickly.

Unfortunately, I am an asthmatic and have a long history with pneumonia (now 9 times) and the flu just weaken me enough for the pneumonia to return.


19 posted on 10/09/2009 6:49:17 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Brown Deer

Have no fear, it will be tested on those who are dumb enough to get the shot.


20 posted on 10/09/2009 6:50:53 AM PDT by stockpirate ("And if my thought-dreams could be seen. They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Dylan)
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To: taxcontrol

Thank you.
I think the 7 year old will be just fine, but the 19 year old is asthmatic and not a strong immune system.
I’m going to look into oregano oil to move this out faster.


21 posted on 10/09/2009 6:57:18 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: Brown Deer

A little off topic, but who pays for these shots. I’ve heard comments on the radio that people can get them for free. I’ve also heard that certain local drug stores are charging a nominal fee, about 20-30 dollars, for them. Does anyone know the full story on this?


22 posted on 10/09/2009 6:58:56 AM PDT by foxfield (Sarah Palin, America's "girl next door".)
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To: john in springfield

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/


23 posted on 10/09/2009 7:01:31 AM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer
Do they normally publish clinical trial results for the seasonal flu vaccine?? My doc says this vaccine is "using the same technology" as the seasonal flu vaccine and that it would have been included in the seasonal vaccine if it had been detected earlier.

I'm really conflicted about getting the swine flu vaccine. I'm almost 8 mos pregnant (one of "high risk" groups). Apparently this flu is hard on pregnant women w/us being 6x more likely to die from it because it's such a respiratory illness. I am normally against getting a flu vaccine and really don't want to get this one, but don't know which is worse: putting this vaccine in my (and my baby's) body, or subjecting both of us (not to mention my hubby and 2 y.o.) to the flu if I do get sick. Of course, my OB is telling me to get the vaccine....

24 posted on 10/09/2009 7:04:21 AM PDT by ncdrumr (Oooh, SarahCUda!)
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To: Brown Deer

They used the normal manufacturing standards and rules that they use for developing and bringing to production any influenza vaccine. The system has been in place for decades. It is tried and trued.

This is just plain silliness. H1N1 is a variant, and the vaccine production process does not need reinventing or retesting.

Time is of the essence. Get your shot. The swine flu sucks.


25 posted on 10/09/2009 7:48:45 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: killermosquito

I wonder if ole Merck is involved?
You know the D Company that gave us VIOXX and Coronary Artery Disease.


26 posted on 10/09/2009 7:51:05 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: killermosquito
Dr. Nancy has stock in those companies I bet:)
27 posted on 10/09/2009 7:52:55 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: ncdrumr; Tax-chick; krb; Constitution Day; Huber

I currently have the swine flu. I’m on Day 6. It is horrid. Your baby does not need to be subjected to oxygen deprivation and two weeks of your body in wracking coughs (doctor says cough will take another week to diminish). You will also be sleep deprived and possibly unable to eat for at least three days.

Your risk of death is 28%. Doesn’t your baby need you alive?

Please get the shot and don’t think twice. I had flu vaccines with all three of my pregnancies, and all of my kids are strong and healthy. Many Freepers can verify that.


28 posted on 10/09/2009 7:55:16 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: GraceG

I have to wonder if in 20 years we will be as concerned about the over use of the regular seasonal flu shot as we are now about the overuse and abuse of Anti-biotics.

The Human Immune system is not an infinite bucket that can store and an infinite amount of different immunities.

I would much rather have my immune system be primed for the really nasty stuff, (Polio, Mumps, Measles, Rubella, Hepatitis, HIV, etc...) and to heck with the seasonal flu which is like the common cold, constantly mutating but not that serious if you catch it and you are healthy.

But suggesting that normally healthy people should take the flu shot every year is kinda like prescribing antibiotics for everyone who isn’t sick. What if we are so successful in eliminating the regular flu stains that we inadvertently make room for the really nasty stains.

Or even worse, what if a flu shot affects our immunity to the other nasty stuff that is not flu related. We still don’t know everything about the immune system I would hate to overload it or create so many different immunities that the body decides itself is an invader and we start having more cases of auto immune disorders.


29 posted on 10/09/2009 8:05:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ncdrumr
Flu vaccines do not undergo the same multi-year FDA approval procedures as new drugs. That's impossible as the virus mutates and new vaccines must be made every year. Furthermore, the vaccine-making process can not even start until new stains show up early in the flu season, so the window for manufacture is just a few months. This has always been the case.

Most of the crap you see here and else-where is simple fear-mongering and paranoia. BTW, the H1N1 vaccines do not contain adjuvants, which are chemicals to stimulate the immune system in general, and are definitely to be avoided. Also, single-dose vaccines without the mercury-based preservative are available, and if you do get the vaccine, you could get a mercury-free one.

Getting any vaccine can be a difficult choice. It depends on the state of your health, immune system, risk of exposure, and other individual circumstances. Your best bet is to have a frank discussion with a doctor you really respect and trust, and I know that even finding such a doctor can be difficult. If you do that, go prepared with specific questions you want answered. Write them down. Also, try and see if you can research the issues a bit yourself, trying to find legitimate web sites (not the tin-foil hat ones), so that you have some basis of judging the veracity of your doctor's advice, and which questions you want answered.

I wish you the best of luck in making this difficult decision.

30 posted on 10/09/2009 8:35:33 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: SatinDoll
H1N1 vaccine contains mercury and squalene.

The vaccine will cause Guillian-Barre syndrome, a condition which destroys the central nervous system.

Guillain-Barré syndrome

MYKNOWLEDGE'S STERN ADVICE: DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE.


31 posted on 10/09/2009 8:48:24 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: SatinDoll

My wife (mostly because of my worry about everything mother in law) wanted our 7 month old daughter to get the H1N1 vaccine. I said over my dead body, and she knew by my tone and facial expression that I was not kidding. I told her our child is not a guinea pig for the government and will not be getting it. I then let her know that there was nothing either she, her mother, or the pediatrician could say that would change my mind.


32 posted on 10/09/2009 8:50:21 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Brown Deer

We will probably learn that “the vaccine” was approved because the FDA knows that sugar water without any sugar IS NOT harmful to people.

Why make the producers spend millions to prove what is already known? Just sell “the vaccine” and claim your profits big Pharma and oh yeah, support health care.


33 posted on 10/09/2009 8:51:17 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: DB

My son became ill and the Doctor encouraged Tamiflu. It caused my son to become numb in his legs. We stopped giving him the medicine and changed Doctors (quack)


34 posted on 10/09/2009 8:53:07 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: mrmeyer

Don’t worry. You post has now been turned over to the ORDT-DFCS (Obama Rapid Deployment Team of Department of Family and Children Services).

Remain calm, the knock at your door is only “the One’s” aides coming to “help” you understand your new and improved role as the child’s custodian.

Please stand back as they administer the appropriate dosage.

They are only at your residence due to lack of understanding and compassion on your part.

We trust there will be any further incidents on your part!

(please read with the sarcasm that was meant)


35 posted on 10/09/2009 9:04:20 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: myknowledge

My doc is refusing to give it to patients. Said there hasn’t been enough testing and it was a complete rush job. Makes me trust him even more after hearing that.


36 posted on 10/09/2009 9:23:10 AM PDT by dixiebelle
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To: Brown Deer

[[Vaccine / adjuvant combination has never been properly tested]]

This statement is complete BS- the regular flu vaccine goes through NO testing- the swine flue vacinne has gone through 4 months of testing, 100’s of thousands of vacinations have been given with no ill effects, and this vacine is the EXACT same vacine as the regular flu vaccine- the only difference is that some brands have thermosol (sp?) which is murcury- simpyl demand that you get the ones without thermosol- This vaccine is nothign more than the regular flu vaccine with the active component of regular flu removed, and the swine flu component plugged in- they do this with EVERY flu season- remove the old component, and plug the new one in (I’m not explaining htis right- but basically, this is hte jist)

1 person in a couple of million MIGHT get guillian Barre syndrom fro mthe vacine, HOWEVER, 1 person in 100,000 people WILL die from this swine flu- Since April until last month, only 600 people have died from the flu- BUT in the recent month, 13000 people have died- this is a dramatic increase i nthe number of deaths.


37 posted on 10/09/2009 9:33:01 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ncdrumr

[[Do they normally publish clinical trial results for the seasonal flu vaccine?? My doc says this vaccine is “using the same technology” as the seasonal flu vaccine and that it would have been included in the seasonal vaccine if it had been detected earlier. ]]

“Is the swine flu vaccine safe?

Yes. Its nonvirus components are the same as those used in the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been tested extensively and monitored for serious reactions for several years. The only difference is that in the swine flu vaccine, novel H1N1 virus replaces the influenza A viruses used in the regular vaccine.”

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/swine-flu-vaccine/MY00816

“Will there be a version of the vaccine that doesn’t contain the preservative thimerosal?

Yes. The nasal spray is preservative-free, as is injectable vaccine in filled, single-dose syringes. Multiple-dose vials do contain thimerosal.”


38 posted on 10/09/2009 9:42:19 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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What causes GBS?

Scientists do not fully understand what causes GBS, but it is believed that stimulation of the body’s immune system may play a role in its development. Here’s what scientists know for sure: About two-thirds of people who develop GBS symptoms do so several days or weeks after they have been sick with a diarrheal or respiratory illness. Infection with the bacterium Campylobacter jejuni is one of the most common risk factors for GBS. People can also develop GBS after having the flu or other infections (such as cytomegalovirus and Epstein Barr virus). On very rare occasions, they may develop GBS in the days or weeks following receiving a vaccination.

Who is at risk for developing GBS?

Anyone can develop GBS, but it is more common among adults than children. The incidence of GBS increases with age, and people over age 50 are at greatest risk for developing GBS. Each year, on average, about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination – that’s 1 to 2 people out of every 100,000 people.

Do vaccines cause GBS?

It is not fully understood why some people develop GBS, but it is believed that the nerve cells are damaged by a person’s own immune system. Many types of infections, and in very rare cases vaccines, may activate the immune system to cause damage to the nerve cells.

How common is GBS, and how common is it after people are vaccinated for seasonal influenza?

GBS is rare. Each year, about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination – that’s 1 to 2 people out of every 100,000 people. This is referred to as the background rate.

In 1976, there was a small risk of GBS following influenza (swine flu) vaccination (approximately 1 additional case per 100,000 people who received the swine flu vaccine). That number of GBS cases was slightly higher than the background rate for GBS. Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine. It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and possible death can be associated with influenza, and vaccination is the best way to prevent influenza infection and its complications.

What happened in 1976 with GBS and the swine flu vaccine?
Scientists first reported a suspected link between GBS and vaccinations in 1976, during a national campaign to vaccinate people against a swine flu virus.

The investigation found that vaccine recipients had a higher risk for GBS than those who were not vaccinated (about 1 additional case occurred per 100,000 people vaccinated). Given this association, and the fact that the swine flu disease was limited, the vaccination program was stopped.
Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine.

Why did some people develop GBS after they received the 1976 swine flu vaccine?

The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific review in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had a slight increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown.

Do you expect that the 2009 H1N1 vaccine will be associated with GBS?

We expect the 2009 H1N1 vaccine to have a similar safety profile as seasonal flu vaccines, which have very good safety track records. The seasonal influenza vaccine has not been consistently associated with GBS.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/gbs_qa.htm


39 posted on 10/09/2009 9:48:09 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: catnipman

[[Most of the crap you see here and else-where is simple fear-mongering and paranoia.]]

Fear-monguering and paranoia based on false information and overblown rumors- While noone wants somethign like Guillian Barre syndrome- it is VERY rare, and NOT gettign hte flu shot puts you at greater risk of contracting it if you get a lung infection from the flu- which this swine flu WILL cause in p[eople (lungs autopsied showed massive lung damage similar to hte bird flu- and htose that survive the swine flu are at a higher than normal risk of getting permanent lung damage that can never be reversed)

[[Getting any vaccine can be a difficult choice. It depends on the state of your health, immune system, risk of exposure, and other individual circumstances.]]

True- it’s a tough choice, but we also have to think about our neighbors as well- while we might be healthy, and might survive the flu just fine, without a shot, our neighbors who have compromised immune systems might not, and again, the risk of getting GB fro mthe shot compared to the risk we put others at by not getting the shot make it pretty clear which is safer and more ethical (unfortunately, this is a case of choosing hte ‘lesser of two evils’ ie: it’s better to concider our neighbors safety, and take a VERY small risk of getting GB [actually, there’s evidence we lessen our risk of getting GB by gettign flu shot], than to avoid the flu shot and put others with weakened immune systems at risk- I can’t tell you how many places I go into where peopel are coughing and sneezing because they can’t afford to take a day off)

GB is NO picnic to be sure, and I sure wouldn’t want anyone to get it, but again- let’s keep things in perspective- it’s VERY rare to get it, and Rarer still to die from it- but it is NOT nearly as rare to die fro m the flu- Even the regular flu

This is a crappy choice to make, I know, and hte best case scenario woudl be to not have to make the descision at all, but since this flu IS now a pandemic, and only goign to get worse (only 5% of world’s population has come down with hte flu so far- meaning htis thing isn’t even in full bloom yet, and already we’ve seen almost 14000 deaths from it) but let’s keep things in perspective, get the FACTS, and make personal descisions based on good sound facts, not itnernet hype and misinformation.

you’ve given good advice- I hope everyoen will carefully concider your posts and do liek oyu say- get educated by reputable sites about hte flu, get the TRUE stats o nthings liek GB cases, flu shot connectiosn to GB, Thermosol in some vaccines, etc, and make descisio nfro mthere- so far, with over several 100 thousand peopel being innoculated so far, and noone sufferign serious side effects sicne April, enoguh time has goen by to know whether the shot increased risk or not- and so far, the stats say NO it hasn’t- and infact may be protecting people from GB- While 1 more person per 100,000 get GB after gettign shot, how many more woudl have developped it IF noone had received the shots? My guess is that more people would have developped GB IF the flus were respiratory in nature


40 posted on 10/09/2009 10:06:24 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: TaxRelief

Oh, dear! I hope you feel better soon. I can certainly verify that your children strong and healthy!


41 posted on 10/09/2009 10:25:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no "I" in "Tejano conjunto." It's all about the mission.)
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To: Brown Deer

Since the elite congress is in charge of the nation they should lead by example and get the dam shot first!

Then I will decide. Not until.


42 posted on 10/09/2009 10:42:57 AM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: sunny48

Flu came to my home yesterday. Doc appointment this afternoon.

If you know you have the flu, why would you waste your time going to the doctor? So he can say, yeah, you have the flu. Go home, rest, drink liquids and you’ll be better in a week. That’ll be $200 please?Oh, and don’t forget the other hundred dollars at the drug store for useless cough syrup and toxic tamiflu that will MAYBE cut 1-2 days off the symptoms IF you start it in time! If he’s a really useless doctor, he’ll give you an antibiotic for a virus as well- just in case- so you think your trip was worth the while. Unless you are experiencing symptoms that require immediate medical care (breathing distress/dehydration, etc..) going to a doctor is a waste of time, money and only prolongs and spreads the disease.


43 posted on 10/09/2009 11:41:30 AM PDT by usmom
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To: usmom

Too late, already went to the doctor, as I said before, I don’t know why, I’ve never taken the kids to the doctor for the flu.
I guess so we could tell everyone we have swine flu and watch them gasp and I did want the asthmatic one checked.

We have private insurance so the visit was only $20. He told us not to listen to the media hype and he thought tamiflu wasn’t worth it but he would prescribe it if we wanted him to.


44 posted on 10/09/2009 11:53:25 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: Tax-chick

Out of curiosity, have you ever had a flu shot while pregnant, or have you ever gotten the flu while pregnant?


45 posted on 10/09/2009 12:07:04 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: sunny48

My Doc said the same thing. He did not think Tamiflu makes more than a 24 hour difference.


46 posted on 10/09/2009 12:10:05 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: myknowledge

1 in 1,000,000 got it in 1976... Much higher chance of getting it from the flu itself.


47 posted on 10/09/2009 12:13:15 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: dixiebelle
My doc is refusing to give it to patients.

Then your "doc" will have a serious lawsuit on his hands the first time one of his patients denied the vaccine dies from the swine flu... a death that could have been prevented.

48 posted on 10/09/2009 12:15:39 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Brown Deer

I’m conflicted. I contacted a wicked flu last year that almost killed me. Nothing helped me. The antibiotic choices were running dry. I am young and healthy. The flu ran its course prior to “swine flu” being reported as the culprit. However, I was infected in the high risk areas of the US and brought it back to my state.

Do I get my first shot to prevent a worse version of this type of flu? Or am I immune to the virus since I survived last year’s hell?

And if I and over 50,000 others die because of this virus, what will you say then?


49 posted on 10/09/2009 12:41:41 PM PDT by egannacht (Vote YES for statism: Why burden yourself with civic duty when Idol and Oprah are on?)
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To: ncdrumr
You say you are normally against getting the flu vaccine and you don’t want to get this one. Why would you change your mind now? Continue to follow your best judgment and don’t be bullied into doing something you “really don’t” want to do.

Personally, I would not take the H1N1 under any circumstances -- especially if I were pregnant. Has the vaccine been proven to be effective? Has it been proven to be safe? More importantly, has it been tested on pregnant women EVER? Have there been any studies on the short term and long term effects on newborns?

Of course you want to do everything you can to keep you and your baby healthy and safe. But is an untested and unproven vaccine the answer? Or, can you achieve the results you want without the risks? IMHO, I believe this can absolutely be accomplished by utilizing natural, non-toxic substances that have shown to be very effective at preventing the flu such as D3, Vitamin C, etc.

There are a lot of knowledgeable freepers who would help you in this arena. (Research wise). Perhaps you can find a DO in your area that will guide and help you with the appropriate natural vitamins for pregnant women in order to prevent the flu naturally.

All of the best to you and your baby!!

50 posted on 10/09/2009 12:53:03 PM PDT by kara2008
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