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Health Care Reform is entirely a struggle between liberty and fascism.

HCR is not just about rationing and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of all individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist basic human right to health care spreads throughout the legal and political system like a virus.

Congressman Anthony Weiner says that health care is not a commodity. If health care is not a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves to that right who must serve it. No health care worker could refuse to provide their services, for any reason, because that would violate the patient's basic human right to health care.

That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.

It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

2 posted on 10/10/2009 1:08:45 AM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: TigersEye
I think "health care reform" is an excuse to enslave people to the state, yes, but it is also an excuse to extract huge amounts of wealth from people you would not otherwise get it from. Thousands of dollars a year will be extracted from each young person who does not want to pay for a complete health care program. Taxes on many, if not all working Americans, will be raised to pay for "health care".

This new money will go for the government to distribute to the enslaved poor to keep them under control and also keep strong and resourceful young people from having the freedom of their own money spent as they see fit. Average Americans will be broke paying for "health care" and fuel for cars and homes with cap and trade.

Jobs will continually be lost as businesses cannot keep up with taxes, "health care" payments, costs of fuel, new taxes, fines and endless government red tape.

I am sure that money extracted from the American people will be siphoned off to cronies and causes that support the administration and it's desire for world domination. Inflated contracts to those that are seen as beneficial to the administration will be passed out to incompetent sources.

It is all a way of robbing Americans and I extremely doubt that we will get much of a return from all the money exacted from us except destitution as a country and as individuals.

I wonder how much money through all of the obscure “stimulus” programs involving billions have been embezzled into private bank accounts by the higher up echelons?

I think all of this so called stimulus etc. has been a ruse for the raping of The USA and stripping us of our power to support ourselves, and defend ourselves and our principle on the world stage. In other words, were being taken. We had better realize what is going on and wake up fast and do what needs to be done to stop the corrupting dismantling of everything that The USA has ever stood for or been capable of achieving.

We must call out to Almighty God for His help and be led by His mighty hand for we are as David and all of what is going on in this our great country today is our Goliath.

5 posted on 10/10/2009 2:27:10 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: TigersEye

“If health care is not a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves to that right who must serve it.”

Well stated. King George III was quite open in his demand for Americans to serve the whims of the British Crown. King obuma tries to hide his demands for servitude and slavery in the language of Marxist collectivism. In every way, I find obuma to be a coward.


7 posted on 10/10/2009 3:50:42 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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