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Is the Dollar Going to Collapse?
Human Events | 10/09/2009 | Mark Skousen

Posted on 10/10/2009 8:02:36 AM PDT by ChessExpert

Rumors are flying that secret meetings are taking place between Arab states, China, Russia, Japan and France, to dump the dollar and replace the U.S. currency’s role in the pricing of oil. The dollar fell against the euro, yen and Swiss franc, while gold hit new highs of $1,041 an ounce.

Is there any truth to the rumors that the dollar is being replaced by a basket of foreign currencies, and what will be the impact your investments and the U.S. economy?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: commodities; currency; dollar; economy; globaleconomy; gold; missinglink; third100days
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To: Batrachian

Actually Silver is widely used in electronics.


21 posted on 10/10/2009 8:53:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ChessExpert; xzins; blue-duncan
I for one think that a lot of this is being fueled by gold speculators.

The dollar is in trouble, but since so much of the world is holding dollars, the rest of the world's economies are hanging on the strength of the dollar.

If the dollar goes down it will take the rest of the world with it. Countries like China and Saudi Arabia know this.

22 posted on 10/10/2009 9:02:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: BGHater

Very interesting.

Congress likely played a role also. Bill Clinton had the benefit of Newt Gingrich “slashing” medicare etc. So with all that cruel budget “cuts” by Newt, kind Mr. Bill was able to “give us a surplus.”


23 posted on 10/10/2009 9:16:38 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Mr. K
That sounds to me like a deliberate act of War.

How they value their property, even if it is our worthless IOU's, is their business. I don't get this act of war business. If we did not want them to have our IOU's, we should not have borrowed their stuff.

24 posted on 10/10/2009 9:23:08 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: ChessExpert

FWIW, Robert Fisk who wrote this story on Monday in the Independent says that this is a long range plan to replace the dollar in the Petro states—more like a 9 year plan. Look for this to take effect by 2018...so says Fisk.


25 posted on 10/10/2009 9:27:38 AM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Victory or Death in the War on Terror)
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To: Mr. K

Rule #1: Don’t panic.

Rule #2: If you have to panic, do it first.


26 posted on 10/10/2009 9:28:22 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: P-Marlowe

Could gold be the bubble that Housing and the DotComs used to be?


27 posted on 10/10/2009 9:28:57 AM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (Victory or Death in the War on Terror)
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To: RadioCirca1970
So the new normal is "Follow the Bubble?"
28 posted on 10/10/2009 9:33:05 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: RadioCirca1970
Could gold be the bubble that Housing and the DotComs used to be?

It very well could be. I personally have no use for Gold. Rare coins, maybe, but Gold? It's just another pretty metal.

One of the problems with gold investing is that many companies just give you gold certificates, or you purchase gold futures and you don't have the metal in your possession. Then your investment is really in the honesty of the person who says they have it in a vault for you. Gold can be stolen by the people who say they are keeping it from you or by theives in the night.

Real Estate, as bad an investment as it may have been recently doesn't get up in the middle of the night and escape to a foreign country. Nobody can break into your house and steal your backyard.

29 posted on 10/10/2009 9:35:31 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

That’s sort of my feeling too. I can’t guarantee the dollar won’t collapse, but we sure aren’t going to be the only ones hurt if it does.


30 posted on 10/10/2009 9:44:38 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: P-Marlowe
Nobody can break into your house and steal your backyard.

Wanna bet?

Government can regulate every dollar of value out of your real estate and in effect confiscate it while you still "own" it.

Of course since you still "own" it you still have to pay RE taxes even when you can't use it, sell it, or sometimes even stand on it.

Growth management acts are property confiscation no matter what the courts say.

Everyone gets hung up on FDR's gold confiscation and they never seem to worry that it's so much easier for government to seize your land. You can't hide it. You can't move it. It's there in the open for any bureaucrat to steal.

31 posted on 10/10/2009 9:45:46 AM PDT by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: seowulf
Government can regulate every dollar of value out of your real estate and in effect confiscate it while you still "own" it.

They can do that with gold too. They could effectively shut down the gold market tomorrow by passing a law saying that you can't sell your gold to anyone but the Government. I think they did that once before.

There is no safe investment, unless you happen to have drugged all the horses in a race except one. And even then you can't be sure someone else didn't drug yours.

32 posted on 10/10/2009 9:50:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
One of the problems with gold investing is that many companies just give you gold certificates, or you purchase gold futures and you don't have the metal in your possession.

So folks who buy gold in case the economy crashes are going to be left holding cute little certificates? May as well get Loser tattooed on your forehead.

33 posted on 10/10/2009 9:59:24 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: P-Marlowe

“There is no safe investment”

True. Investments are only as safe and stable as the nation and system in which they are made. On the other hand, if I go out and buy 100 acres that I can grow food on, at least I can do that. Yes, I know that with government setting land taxes, and with the power of eminent domain even land is not safe. The problem is, you can’t eat Gold or Silver.

One other caveat is that it is somewhat ‘safe’ to invest in yourself. Learn a new skill etc. that makes you more capable of navigating this mess.


34 posted on 10/10/2009 10:00:35 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Mark was here

Anyone who buys Gold and does not get the metal in their possession is buying nothing but a promise. Obama has promised a lot. Would you buy a gold certificate from Obama?


35 posted on 10/10/2009 10:03:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
But in 1933 the dollar was on the gold standard. The FED internationalists would would rather go a world fiat rather than US gold backed FRN.

I still have not heard any rational FED cure for future inflation.

36 posted on 10/10/2009 10:05:52 AM PDT by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: Mark was here

Same as going to the bank, after a run, wanting to see if your savings are still there. Uh, no.


37 posted on 10/10/2009 10:09:25 AM PDT by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: endthematrix
But in 1933 the dollar was on the gold standard.

But that was only a "promise" as well. There was not enough gold in the world to back up every dollar that was in circulation in 1933. The dollar may have been "backed" by gold, but if the citizens ever demanded that the government give them gold for their dollars, they would have been paid about 1 cent on the dollar.

The "gold standard" was as much an empty promise as the Federal Reserve note is today.

38 posted on 10/10/2009 10:11:31 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Nobody can break into your house and steal your backyard.

Except your local taxing authority.

39 posted on 10/10/2009 10:13:23 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Mr. K

$450B last week????
I’m still trying to determine the facts about the giant Chinese default on derivative last NOVEMBER!


40 posted on 10/10/2009 10:13:45 AM PDT by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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