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Calif. top justice slams state referendum process
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/10/09 | AP

Posted on 10/10/2009 11:50:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – The chief justice of the California Supreme Court is criticizing the state's reliance on the referendum process, saying it has "rendered our state government dysfunctional."

.. the widespread use of referendums to change state laws and constitutions hampers legislators, burdens the judicial branch and gives special interests too much power.

George says the system places California's lawmakers in a "fiscal straitjacket" that prevents them from effectively solving the state's financial crisis.

The speech .. entitled "The Perils of Direct Democracy: The California Experience."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; chiefjustice; massesareasses; referendum; slams
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1 posted on 10/10/2009 11:50:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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We has met the enemy and We is it.

Damn You, Hiram. Oh well.

He had good intentions. ;-)


2 posted on 10/10/2009 11:51:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

“We the people” own the state, not legislators or courts.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 11:53:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The chief justice of the California Supreme Court is criticizing the state’s reliance on the referendum process, saying it has “rendered our state government dysfunctional.”
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The only thing that has rendered our state DYSFUNCTIONAL is its GOVERNMENT and judges like this that sit on its courts. Thank God for the referendum process — of course, it is a liberal nightmare. Anything that holds politicians accountable is something really bad. Just look at how Washington is taking care of that nuisance factor — Obama is creating his OWN GOVERNMENT......


4 posted on 10/10/2009 11:54:14 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: NormsRevenge

Aren’t judges supposed to stay away from political advocacy? A major violation of that principle is going on here.


5 posted on 10/10/2009 12:00:02 PM PDT by Tax Government (Mighty nuts from tiny Acorns grow.)
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To: EagleUSA

unbelievable gibberish from this chief justice. We are not a tyranny..the people are supposed to be involved.


6 posted on 10/10/2009 12:01:24 PM PDT by Achilles Heel
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, if he doesn't like the Referendum, I would recommend the Recall for Hizzonner Chief Jerkstice George.
7 posted on 10/10/2009 12:02:01 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: NormsRevenge
.. the widespread use of referendums to change state laws and constitutions hampers legislators, burdens the judicial branch and gives special interests too much power.

“And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths
Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
In deepest consequence.”

(Banquo, act 1, scene 3, William Shakespeare's Macbeth)

8 posted on 10/10/2009 12:05:02 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: EagleUSA

Exactly.


9 posted on 10/10/2009 12:12:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NormsRevenge
Actually, this is one of the opening salvos of the Marxist tyranny that calls itself the "California State Government".

The Marxist legislature will now attempt to pass "reform" legislation to "improve" the Initiative, Referendum and Recall processes.

The result will be an iron fisted legislative insider tyranny, and police state treatment of honest citizens.

Queers and illegals need have no concerns, they're SPECIAL!

10 posted on 10/10/2009 12:16:55 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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Citizen group sponsored Propositions are the only avenue ordinary “normal” folks have to challenge the Dem Party Dictatorship of Kalifornia.


11 posted on 10/10/2009 12:28:07 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Always troubling when the people think they know better than the royalty......


12 posted on 10/10/2009 12:28:20 PM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: OldArmy52
Citizen group sponsored Propositions are the only avenue ordinary “normal” folks have to challenge the Dem Party Dictatorship of Kalifornia.

Absolutely true.

13 posted on 10/10/2009 12:43:34 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Most of the Propositions appearing on the ballot in California are crap. But then, so is most of the legislation issuing forth from Sacramento.


14 posted on 10/10/2009 12:49:38 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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A lot of the “crap” on the ballot emanates from the legislature.


15 posted on 10/10/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: NormsRevenge
I know that many "conservatives" love the populist referendum BS because occassionally, the ballot initiatives go "their way." Relying on the whims of the masses (and remember, the masses ARE asses) to decide how to run things leads to contradictions (ie voting for mass spending in education while also voting to reduce the taxes to pay for them). The fact is, in a Representative Republic, the responsability rests with the people who are VOTED IN by the electorate to do the job of legislating.

Many "California conservatives" are actually Right-populists. Its going to be great when the masses of Cali voters are of a different shade, and will pass initiative after initiative that will cause the pseudocons who love ballot initiatives to long for the days of representative government over the Mobocracy.

16 posted on 10/10/2009 1:03:06 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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A lot of the “crap” on the ballot emanates from the legislature.

Excellent point.

17 posted on 10/10/2009 1:05:27 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The biggest problem with the ballot initiative process is that voters keep voting for expensive expenditures without supporting a way to fund them....

hh


18 posted on 10/10/2009 1:11:57 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: NormsRevenge
...the system places California's lawmakers in a "fiscal straitjacket" ...

That's a very good thig for the state because every one of the little lunatics belongs in a very real straitjacket.

19 posted on 10/10/2009 1:29:22 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: Tax Government

Think of it this way. The state is in a fiscal mess. Part of the reason why is that the voters have approved so many bond funds, that the state is partially buried paying them off. Every new bond measure sounds like a new shiny bobble to the voters. And all too often they can’t do without it.

I don’t necessarily see this as a partisan matter.

The initiative process is essentially mob rule legitimized. It’s not a representative process. It’s more like a hard and fast Democracy. That’s not what our founders wanted for us, and I believe upon some thought, you’d probably agree with them at least in part.


20 posted on 10/10/2009 1:34:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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