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To: Wonder Warthog
None of which matters in the least, because the perversion DID happen. The previous poster is correct---the Anti-Federalists WERE right, and in such detail that the accuracy of the predictions are frightening.

Whether something "matters" or not is subject to reflections against a standard. The Founders endeavored not only to create a "country," but also a mechanism which would defeat the attacks of evil.

One could say, if the attacks of evil were successful, then the Founders failed. But no one can be held to a standard higher than that which they can address. The Founders sealed the breach from their standpoint. It took an addition to the Constitution - the 14th Amendment - plus a Supreme Court ruling, to establish the merest thread upon which treason against the Founders could be maintained. The success of that extraordinary illegitimate effort is not their fault.

The question, therefore, that we are left with, is not whether we can understand what has been done. Very brave and even brilliant people have exposed the deceit. But what now? Who will step forward - and with what support? The usurpers of the Constitution are not fools - they smash certainty, destroy education, fill millions of ears with lies, and reward cowardice. So the endgame is already thrown and the traitors fill their goblets with wine and vomit their laughter in glee.

The question is, who will resist this perverse, demonic hell with the truth?

10 posted on 10/13/2009 6:14:30 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
"The success of that extraordinary illegitimate effort is not their fault."

The fact that another point of view existed contemporaneously and was denied says it "is" their fault. They were too optimistic. That the Anti-Federalists description of what the downfall would be is so uncannily accurate proves which of the two views got it rignt.

"So the endgame is already thrown and the traitors fill their goblets with wine and vomit their laughter in glee."

Eventually, the socialists will carry things too far, and enough people WILL wake up to the danger.

"The question is, who will resist this perverse, demonic hell with the truth?"

I suspect that the "triggering event" (no pun intended) this time around will be the same as the last time---an attempt by the central government to disarm the people. The only question will be where the next "Lexington and Concord" will take place. All those folks stockpiling guns and ammo are voting "nay".

12 posted on 10/13/2009 8:07:52 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Talisker
The Founders endeavored not only to create a "country,"

That was the first and biggest mistake. They took a conferation of "countries", and turned it into one big Fedzilla. They are wholly to blame for it. They weren't even authorized to do so. They were merely supposed to make alterations to the existing confederation of states.

One could say, if the attacks of evil were successful, then the Founders failed.

The results are in.

It took an addition to the Constitution - the 14th Amendment - plus a Supreme Court ruling, to establish the merest thread upon which treason against the Founders could be maintained. The success of that extraordinary illegitimate effort is not their fault.

The Marshall court--the first Supreme Court--appointed by Washington, began the mischief. By the time of McCulloch v Maryland in 1816 we were already screwed. The seeds had already been sewn. And since it is the framers who created the SCOTUS, they are most definitely at fault. There was no need for a national government with supreme power residing in an unelected group of judges. They created it. They own it.

The question, therefore, that we are left with, is not whether we can understand what has been done. Very brave and even brilliant people have exposed the deceit. But what now? Who will step forward - and with what support?

Ideally, the step forward is to abandon the Constitution and national government. In reality, the step forward will be to continue loping towards total statism under the yoke of a virtually limitless national government.

13 posted on 10/13/2009 8:48:28 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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