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To: snowsislander
The moment that Obama admitted, on the very same web page that you cite

I didn't cite any web pages.

(http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html), that he had dual Kenyan citizenship, he opened this can of worms:

So if this is the problem, then how does seeing a birth certificate solve anything? People regularly say that he could end the questioning by releasing his birth certificate, but here you state flat-out that nothing about his birth certificate itself can end anything.

Admitting any type of dual citizenship quickly leads to legitimate questions about Obama's natural born citizenship status.

Not so much. Whether dual citizenship exists at birth is determined by foreign law. Do you want foreign countries determining who can and can't be President?

The way to clear these questions completely is by releasing all of the Hawaiian vital records and any Kenyan ones (his father was a government official in Kenya, and I think it is highly likely that he would have filed paperwork regarding the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II), any passports both current and expired, and details of his citizenship or visa status in Indonesia.

And how would producing any of those documents address any problems with his citizenship if the problem is dual citizenship? He admits he was born with dual citizenship; that's not disputed. How would birth certificates or passport records change that?

215 posted on 10/13/2009 10:08:22 AM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
How would birth certificates or passport records change that?

Don't you guys have to reveal you are being paid, under the new law just passed?

523 posted on 10/13/2009 1:18:29 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: LorenC
Not so much. Whether dual citizenship exists at birth is determined by foreign law. Do you want foreign countries determining who can and can't be President?

That was not the criteria for "natural born subject" nor "naturales" in Blackstone or Vattel respectively. It has to do with the the place of birth and status of the parents. Blackstone has the only exceptions from place of birth be for foreign diplomats or armies in occupation of that place, as well as for the children of British fathers born outside the Kings domain. Vattel has an eception to his "of citizens and in the country" for those born outside the country but in its service.

Under Blackstone's "rule", Obama is a Natural Born Subject of the Crown of England, assuming his parents were who he says they were, and were legally married at the time. His birth certificate would prove who is father was in a legal sense, so even in the "born in Hawaii" case, it has something to contribute.

Under Vattel's rule, Obama is not a Natural born citizen of the US, since his father was not a citizen. (The father need not be natural born, can be naturalized, which BHO Sr never was). Of course if BHO was not born in the US, then under the law at the time, he's not a citizen, or if his parents were not married, he's a citzen but not natural born. (An unmarried woman need only have resided in the US for one year for her foreign born child to be a citizen under the immigration and naturalization code), by either Blackstone or Vattel's rules.

780 posted on 10/13/2009 4:53:39 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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